Matchday discussion

Todays team sums up the weakness of our squad.9 subs made up of 1 keeper 6 defenders and two midfielders .No back up striker and we are starting with gill and an out of form Son,

 

Here we go again.Please go Conte don’t trust you to spend our money in window.This squad is now beyond repair.How many c*** ups is Lloris going to make

 

This is very poor,even I’m finding it hard to find positives in this!
When I saw the line up, what was most worrying as the 1st eleven really should have been able to beat Villa, was the bench, didn’t see anyone who could come on and change the game. Apart from maybe Royal, but I meant change it for the better

 

After this I don’t want to hear that we have a world class manager because we don’t.We have an awful squad which he helped to get together and he consistently has played Emmerson.I don’t fool myself that we have a good squad but I am sure another manager could at least get them to fight for the club.Name me one player that gives his heart and soul on the pitch.Not one shot on target against an average team and we are at home.Levy has to make a crucial decision because does he trust Conte to give him more money to spend or do what he should do and call it a day.He sacked Pochetino and Mourino for producing better results.I remember his boast about a year ago that we would be back to the spurs way of playing.Well he has because we are now the team that fergie used to say to his players it’s only Tottenham.I hoped that I would not be baying for the manager to be sacked but I am afraid he has to go

 

Mourinho wins everywhere he goes, Conte wins everywhere he goes they both come to Spurs and fans make out they're rubbish clueless managers.

If you don't have the personnel you won't win anything.

Poch had the personnel and couldn't win.

The 1 common denominator in all of this is the Bald parasites who own the club and won't invest properly in the squad.

That stadium should be absolutely toxic calling for ENIC to go but we've got far too many happy chappy well wisher fans desperate to deflect blame & find positives.

 

agree ENIC are to blame.....
why hire managers (JM & AC).....who really only have succeeded by buying or having big players on big wages........ and then not supporting them by doing exactly that.

They are not clueless managers.... but they do know they need quality to win games...... and quality to be a top PL team doesn'tcome cheap.

If ENIC don't want to spend money on wages...... get a manager who can win by building a fighting low value 'team'.....and not a successful manager who they will ruin

We have quality..... most of them just need to know they have to give blood. (can Graham Roberts still play??)

Sean Dyche maybe??

I would say Thomas Tuchel but he might be in the 'buy big players' category

 

Have not seen Mourino winning much in Roma and I suspect that Conte would struggle without a club willing to buy the top players as he is proving with us..All I hear is they win everywhere apart from Tottenham but that is only because they have top players.When did either win something with a struggling club.Pep is a great manager but when did he manage average players

 

Tell me a manager that wins things regularly with out top quality players???

What managers at Spurs are expected to do is produce miracles with mediocre players.

Pochettino & Harry were anomalies because they actually had decent overall squads.
But neither won anything.

You HAVE to have the players.

 

I rarely agree with your posts Felon and Preed (too much negativity. Always...) but this time, I have to admit that you are right. In part at least. If you're right for Conte who hasn't achieved much for 13 months, except an improbable 4th place giving access to the Champions League. Our game is tasteless and sad. He shows no offensive intention, no joy in an apathetic team lacking leaders. And that, indeed, Conte is largely responsible. The only thing I could add is that if Conte has to leave, he has to take two thirds of the players!

 

Felon I agree that you win things with good players so I am just saying that this idea that we have had world class managers is pie in the sky.Managers who have won the league have all had world class player apart fromRanieri.Geneva spurs you say myself and Felon are to negative so what happened today to make us change our opinion

 

Just a note to be wary of what we wish for as Potter is turning chelsea into also rans

 

Woeful result but how anyone can be calling for the manager’s head is beyond me.

He did a great job last year with a team that was heading for mid table when he stepped him.

And this year was the best start to a season in 60 odd years despite the laborious football at times.

Make no mistake this was a very bad loss and alarm bells are now ringing after the Brentford draw.

Difficult to understand how our overall level has dropped after bringing in some good players in the summer but I think the crux of it would be this…

Son is a shadow of the player who won the Golden Boot last year and it’s not just the lack of goals (he’s scored in only one out of 17 matches this season). His touch has deserted him… any decent player would have easily played Kane in on goal just before half time and he has missed numerous passes this year.

At the back two absolute stalwarts of our fine run last term have turned to cheese. Lloris and Dier have been taking turns burying us. Both excellent last year… both liabilities now.

Add to that… we’re utterly decimated up front. Gil is not even supposed to be here this season. Lucas might as well not even be at the club and Richarlison simply can’t get going.

It was a pretty decent window to be fair but the club didn’t do enough. Settling for Emerson and Doherty for example was a major mistake since Spence has not remotely panned out. Bissouma equally has been mostly underwhelming.

So maybe you might ask… is Spurs a club where players come to ruin their reputation as well? Because if nothing significant is done in the next few weeks Conte will indeed be gone and we will be heading back to mid table.

 

Sorry the Conte but your submission that this start to the season was our best for 60 years is covering the cracks.We did not play any of the top teams and the football was more dire than Mourino ball.I am fed up with watching this dross .Notts Forest we’re more entertaing today and they are second to bottom.Agreed we have been unfortunate with injuries but most teams get injuries.Spurs finishing fourth last season was more down to the Arse falling apart after we beat them

 

Quite simply because it is more difficult to see the effectiveness of a Manager's work in difficulty. And with the absence of 3 important offensive players today, we can't help but wonder what quality he has on the full group and not just on 11 or 12 players. The result is sad and poor. You have to make up your mind. That's what I did

 

Best start in 60 odd years is the best start in 60 odd years. Not sure why it needs a qualifier… you should know 60 odd years is a long time.

And we were a better team than Arsenal last year… that is why we finished above them. No other reason… better team.

You should be careful what you wish for. The next manager will struggle here presently. Even if it’s Poch… which would not be a good thing in itself.

 

Why are we not still better than Arsenal then??Could it be that they had a transfer policy when we did not.Could it be they play on the front foot while we play sideways.Arsenal youngsters close down from the front while we have Kane who for all his goal scoring is now a plodder and can’t make up his mind if he is a midfielder.I thought Conte would have a team that was full of running if nothing else.He now states the obvious that we lack creative players.Why did he not correct this in the last window.I am no fan of levy but he has given us a world class stadium a top manager and spent 200 million on players and yet Conte has his hands tied.wake up and smell the roses .It would be great to get a new owner but please don’t makeConte into a god who has no help

 

Because Arsenal have better players than us now. Young guys like Martinelli and Saka have gone up another level. Meanwhile one of our star forwards has literally fallen off a cliff… along with a few others who are teetering on the brink. Their transfer policy is not all that… you know their star signing backs up our star signing for Brazil? Difference is our star signing can’t stay on the pitch.

Conte is one of the best managers in football… he knows what it takes to win and the level of player required. We don’t have that… that’s pretty much what he said yesterday. You can bet your life that had he been given the option he would have brought in a handful more players in the summer… and I’m talking quality realistic targets not fantasy football buys. And it would have all been with a view to winning the league. But he wasn’t given the option.

As for spending 200 million on players? Where did you get that figure? And did you subtract the cost of the players that he let walk? If he’s added to the squad it has mostly been to replace a number of high priced busted purchases. He’s not ahead of the spending curve in the slightest… the upfront cost of our current squad is not that great.

Given enough time he will put together a very strong side… there is no doubt about that… but I very much doubt he will have the patience particularly now the players he relied on heavily last year are falling apart in front of his eyes. You know we lead the league in goals conceded from individual errors?

And besides as any Spurs fan knows progress is always incremental around here.

It is not looking good for us.

 

Could the fact that martinelli and Sakka have gone up be because of Good coaching or just luck How many spurs players would get in arsenal team.

 

I peruse a couple of other fans forums and the general feeling on those is that Conte should go.This website seems to be the only one that thinks he is doing a good job.The biggest complaints apart from the Dire fare served up is the fact that Kane has now become a lazy so and so and has the fewest touches of all the players.

 

They've improved simply because they were very good prospects to begin with... same with Odegaard.

We don't have any good prospects... Skipp? Sessegnon? these guys can become above average but there is no star power there.

Objectively there are a few who would make a combined XI/bench presently... Arsenal need to see out the season at their current level before people anoint them a super side.