Matchday discussion

This amuses me no end

We have the number one keeper in England (1st in GK save %) and one of the best in the world.

Yet when he has a less than stellar outing people call for his head?

Lloris is not and never has been the problem.

Check the stats... we would be truly ****ed if not for him this year

 

You can’t be serious Jose’s ghost about Bald and Ali although I agree with you about Harry’s man management.Bale and
Ali have been absolutely horrendous this season and the reason they have been ostracised as you put it is because they have not performed any where near the standard needed in the premiership.Bale has shown no interest in club football for about 3 years and Ali has been all fancy flicks and no work effort for months.I do still believe there is a footballer in Ali but fear it will take a move to unearth it again but I am afraid Bales best years have long gone.The reason lloris is up on the stats is because he has more saves to make with our horrendous back four give me pope anytime

 

Lloris is first in save % Preed... that means he's more likely to save a shot on target than any other keeper in the EPL. The amount of shots he's faced is irrelevant

Alli (less than 1 league game) and Bale (less than 3 league games) have barely played at all... certainly nowhere remotely near enough to pass a judgement on their level this term. That is this particular manager's preference and nothing more. A Rogers or a Redknapp or an Ancelotti would be playing them both regularly and subsequently getting the maximum from them.

Bale is certainly not the specimen he was 10 years ago when he was on another level altogether (physically wise) to the opposition. Yet he is still easily a better footballer than Bergwijn. But he's not as quick nor does he track back all day which is why our no risk uber defensive counter attacking manager refuses to play him.

All managers have their style... that is another debate... but I will say this. Any manager who thinks it's appropriate to give Winks more minutes than Alli or Bale is failing miserably in man management.

 

I am no great fan of Jose as you may have guessed but dont tell me he does not see Ali and Bale in training every day and I hope he judges who plays on how they train as do most managers.Bale was obviously a Levy buy and he appears to block the sale of Ali so you would expect some pressure on Jose but this does not seem to be the case.As. For lloris he does make great saves but is so suspect from long range when his wrist seems so weak.Are there any stats on Long range shots beating keeper.I have already said that I think there is a player in Ali but i don’t think he will ever do it for Mourino.Bale is a different case because he wasted 3 years under Zidane and will not ever be the player we all wished for

 

Training has absolutely nothing to do with it

Adebayor had been long banished to the youth team when Sherwood resuscitated him one December. He would duly finish as the club’s top scorer that year with just half a season

Jose (like his protege AVB) is not adverse to making pariahs out of members of his squads... there’s a long list of some very notable players. Perhaps it’s his way of showing everyone who’s boss.

Problem is at Spurs we don’t have the infinite resources for our manager to be canning our best players because they don’t spill blood for his **** style of football

 

And yet JMs predecessor got F-All out of Adebayor having him banished from the club on full wages.
Another case of selective memory

 

Jose’s ghost if you think Ali is being persecuted how come he had been awful at the end of pochs reign and improved when Jose first picked him.Since the break for coronavirus he has been dross and I seem to remember him being the one who ignored the lockdown.have you seen Mourinos explanation as to why bale was not picked against Everton on sky today.As I have said I am no great fan of Mourino but I don’t believe he was lying

 

You have to pretend that nothing was wrong before JM arrived and that he is the route of all evil, it's the same team there's been no downgrades, JM has been backed, it's a world class squad packed with international stars who only make mistakes and comical blunders under instruction from the bad man......

 

As for the history of Jose picking on players I remember Pogba who was a problem for Solskar at first due to his mouthy agent and Shaw who was a fat lump until Mourino shamed him now he is a class fullback

 

I would have thought the tale of Adebayor in 13/14 was crystal clear... apparently not

One manager relegates a player to the reserves... the next manager revives him to lead the team in scoring

Moral of the story?

Managers can select who they want... but their selections don’t fundamentally determine whether a player is good or not.

Kane supplanted Adebayor in 14/15 thus making the latter expendable... wtf are you going on about Pochettino for? Selective memory indeed

 

Shaw was excellent at Southampton hence why we and United wanted to purchase him. Jose did nothing for his career except almost bury it.

Is Solskjaer as good a manager as Jose? I wouldn’t think so. Yet he has gotten considerably more out of this player then our manager did.

Best keep in mind that Jose’s word is not gospel though some here definitely take it as so

 

The moral of the story even poor players can have one good season even Dier had one of those but really good players do it consistently like Kane and son.adeybayor was a one season wonder and very average threreafter

 

Nobody claims that jose is tricking his players into playing badly or just making mistakes. No sane person at least ... Just that at all levels, confidence plays a major role in the performance of players. it's the same with children or with employees. not everyone reacts the same way. some need to be shaken up and others need to be comforted or psychologically helped. Mourinho has almost one way of playing and he is outdated and ugly. its human management is obviously in the same old style ....

 

Whatever the instruction, they are either ignoring it or not capable of following it, so the instruction needs to change but he is either too stubborn or not capable to adapt to the game these days.

Players are a group, following a system, with a collective goal, it would seem our goal collectively for a while now has been to concede possession, sit deep and hope for a sneaky goal on the counter attack.

It’s comical to keep mentioning before he arrived...he arrived because we needed to improve, we have slowly but surely got worse.

There is no way that our entire squad of players is ignoring everything they are learning in training every day?

There is also now way they are ignoring the instructions and system they are being told to use use on match day.

The current predicament is surely one of three things:
1. JM has failed to get his message and methods understood and implemented by the players
2. The players don’t want to/are not able to play how he wants
3. The players are following their instructions and playing as coached, then being slaughtered individually for the lack of results

Either way the outcome is still the same. The person being paid handsomely for the last 15 months to deliver an improvement has failed miserably so it really is time to cut our losses and try something else before its too late to rectify.

 

I just don't think JM can trust any defensive player other than Hojbjerg.
None of the back 4 or rest of the midfield are consistent.

He also can't trust any attacking players other than Son & Kane.
None of the rest are consistent.

You might argue that NDombele gets into the 'consistent' recently

Therein lies the problem

 

Shaw's demise came in line with a horrific leg break and then being fat as a barrel, he's only as of end of last n this season got anywhere near back to what he was.

Again selective memory

 

We're not in 14th without an away win in a year so again this is yet more selective memory , we were utter garbage in the league for more than a year under Poch , look at the 13 league losses the season before he was sacked.

It's easier to gloss over these facts than face them and take them fully into account for an objective view on proceedings.

 

Wtf are you going on about Sherwood & AvB for ?

See how it works

 

Who is glossing over anything? You keep bringing up our final months with Poch, no one else?

We may have been poor in those months but the reason for the change was to spark an improvement...objectively, we are playing far shitter than we have in a long time and far shitter than most other teams in the league. Objectively, if he came in to bore everyone to tears and land is in pretty much the exact same spot he picked us up in, he is indeed a winner

 

You are you're saying it's worse than where JM picked up from when it's not , you can't clearly point that out without mentioning the previous manager.
And to say it was his last month's it wasn't this was over a year n a half of awful football and results.
There were sporadic results in the CL v big sides just like JM has achieved this season in the league.
But you paint a picture that we are a great side being mismanaged we are not we have a poor side with some extremely unprofessional players in it and others that are simply very poor.
And working on some theories here apparently the wages someone earns means they should be able to perform miracles?
Guess what if you gave Klopp or pep 50 mil a season wages they couldn't transform Burnley into title contenders you have to have the players.
Klopp transformed Liverpool by buying an entire new side from what he inherited and they were in a better shape than what JM inherited.
Then we have absolute clowns saying he's been backed with pittance for 8 players.
It's ridiculous it's completely unreasoned the player errors that have lead to goals n massive points dropped have been nothing short of scandalous u don't see those levels of unprofessionalism in league 2, and if players made them repeat mistakes for a Klopp or pep etc they'd be moved on very quickly for players that don't