Matchday discussion

So let's pick the bones out of this, you say Mourinho coaches Dier to not clear a ball ?
Aurrier to not track a runner?
Doherty to be in the RB position when he's been fielded as a LB?
And because he didn't pick an injured LB who wasn't available or put an inexperienced CB in the RB spot it's his fault that the highly paid internationals can't do the basics of defending?

Yet they are supposed to take responsibility for their own actions?

So far we've confirmed your alternative solutions were to play 8 of the players that featured , introduce a player that was injured & unavailable , shuffle the subs bench and add Sissoko Toby, play a kid CB at RB and possibly get Vinny on.

You keep saying there's better options but if you're pinning a turn around or a miraculous title challenge on 2 inexperienced CBs 1 playing at RB an aging Toby playing every single game, Sissoko, a ropey Bale and these are the major changes you think will do much more you're delusional.

The squad is appalling it's got 5 top 4 quality players at a push and a squad ranging from lower mid table to Championship level .

 

For a defensive coach to teach/instruct his defenders not to be able to defend and them carry out his instructions to a tee because they're that good at following them is just a teeny bit of a crazed opinion don't you think?

I'm sure Mourinho took this job with the intention of having a sh!te defence because after all that's where all his success has came from .....

 

You are so far from the point it’s like you have paid absolutely no attention whatsoever to what has been written.

Picking players who have a tendency to make poor decisions is the responsibility of the coach...again, I have never said that he is coaching players not to be able to defend but he is persistently picking players who make regularly make really bad decisions....wether it’s Aurier leaving space behind/not tracking or Dier not taking a safety first approach in dangerous situations/trying to pass out from the back straight to opponents. How about purposely playing a terrible RB at LB which is always destined to mean that he leaves his LB position and wanders to his natural position at RB.

The funniest thing is you keep having little digs about “crazed opinions” or being “delusional”. You also regularly comment about people referring to the past “lord Jesus Poch” when you are the one that seems to bring him up. Take the time to read what is being said because you occasionally make it very difficult to pick out the really good points you do make from the random responses you give that show you haven’t actually understood the counter point.

 

Because of the absurd selective outrage, Poch did many of the things that you're lambasting Mourinho for.
After many a poor goal conceded and poor result there wasn't a barrage of posters claiming he didn't have a clue what he was doing and why was he picking the same players that let him down over n over.
But Mourinho does it with many of the same players or scenarios and he's a clueless dinosaur.
As I've said on numerous occasions the team has lost far more quality through sales, injury, age etc than its had injected into it for a steady 4 years now.
Mourinho is working with the dregs of a clapped out regime.
Then there's absurd mentions he's been backed and backed more than Poch ever was despite all the evidence suggesting otherwise ie £56 odd mil to bring in 8 players while Poch bought 25 players for nearly £400mil.
That type of disingenuous ignorance of the facts is crazed.

Take today for instance if Mourinho loses to Brighton you watch this place and others explode with selective rage at him and why it's all his fault, yet when Poch lost 3-0 to them it was all about how horribly the players had let him down he was completely blameless.....

 

Just to interrupt. Felon and Thfc as good as the counter arguments are I note that Thfc said in reply to my question as to how many united playerswould he take he said 3.Which 8 of ours are better than theirs then .please name them and do not bullshit

 

However much the participants in these debates (including me) try to deny it, 'Pochettino would have saved us' versus 'Pochettino left us in this ongoing mess' is the subtext to this whole never-ending argument, and I remain firmly in the latter camp. Pochettino's couple of good seasons coincided with the virtual hibernation of the usual contenders (completely absent in 2016, and only Chelsea back to spoil our parade in 2017), and the lows otherwise considerably outweighed the highs - the 2015 non-show against Mourinho's Chelsea in the League Cup Final; the abysmal end to the 'two-horse race' in 2016, loosing 5-1 to a relegated ten-man Newcastle; the failure to get out of the CL group stage, and the EL defeat by Genk the following year; the FA Cup semi defeat by Mourinho's United in 2018, when Dembele was bullied off the park by Pogba; the Cl qualification by a single point from Arsenal in 2019 and, above all, the abject CL Final loss to Liverpool, when we were every bit as toothless as the other night.
I forgot the tactical masterstroke of playing Son at left back in another cup defeat to Chelsea, and haven't gone into our transfer failures (which would require a book to list), but I'm trying to say that the rose-tinted specs seem to be welded-on for the Pochettini die-hards, and all Mourinho's struggles are set against a fantasy of how great things were under Poch. The true managerial giants build a succession of winning teams at different clubs, either on a shoestring like Brian Clough, or by spending a fortune, Mourinho-style, or do it at the same club, like Paisley or SAF, and they're the absolute best, because retaining a winning mentality while rebuilding the team has proved impossible for Spurs throughout their history, as we're currently proving. I'd love to think that Mourinho could still turn things round (and borrowing an extra bus to park against City might cause us to steal the League Cup, but I'm clutching at straws now), but I don't really believe it, and the inevitable departure of Kane and - presumably - Son will mark the real end of the Pochettino era of false dawns and unfulfilled promise (and God knows what the future holds, with or without Mourinho).

 

As usual Cheshuntboy speaking a lot of sense.

On a separate note for the sake of team selections Midweek

The team that lost to Brighton 3-0 had

Lloris

Sissoko Toby Jan Davies

N'Dombele Dier

Son Eriksen Lamela

Kane


Who's gonna play today that's better than Jan & Eriksen?
Sissoko played at RB.
Dier played as DM.
Toby played.
In fact 8 players in total that featured in that loss played midweek.
But Mourinho is the problem and Poch was hard done by.

 

Hilarious post

Please read again once you’ve sobered up

Never quite understood your Jose sycophancy (despite all contrary evidence) but can see now it’s effectively driven by your hatred of Pochettino

Come to think of it you’ve been equally imbalanced in your appraisal of Lo Celso and Lamela... decent players enough

Argophobe much?

 

Can’t find Argophobe in English dictionary

 

Once again THFC you're pretty much on the money (not entirely of course)

Have to say... you're the most sensible fellow here and I'm not sure there is a better compliment... sign him up Spurs

Here is where we stand statistically at the mid point...

14th in shots
12th least shots conceded
12th in possession
1st GK save %

Anyone who wants to argue that we're the 12th to 14th best squad in the league talent wise really needs their head retracted from their arse

Personally I haven't given up on Jose yet... still hoping for some of that Porto magic circa 2003 to come again

But at the moment the jury's out and what I'm hearing is not good... we've got a junk manager on our hands

 

Isn't it symptomatic of 21st Century lunacy that criticism of a foreign player or manager is by definition '-ist' or '-ic' - you can't just think Sanchez or Aurier are apologies for footballers, or Pochettino (or even Mourinho) is a fraud - no, it's obviously racism, xenophobia, fascism or something as yet undiscovered, anything but honest opinion, clearly.

 

Cheshuntboy knows exactly what I'm talking about

 

I still can’t find this in the dictionary so Cheshunt boy is a genius knowing what you mean when surely you want Felon to understand your logic if there is any or is it just an insult which seems to be your forte to any one with a different opinion

 

Still no reply from Thfc on the 8 players we have that are better than United not good from the most sensible man on the website according to Jose’s ghost

 

If you can't put two and two together Preed then it is not for me to teach you basic math

Please desist from commenting on my posts and we will get along just fine

 

Imbalanced??
They're both sick notes and both woeful numbers wise in assists & goals cost the club 80mil for pure dross

You're delusional

 

I will desist from commenting when you don’t talk in riddles and make genuine arguments instead of insults just as you have to my comments which were genuine what is argophobe..??

 

There's no hatred of Pochettino just hatred of the sheer hypocrisy that the guy done nothing wrong , most of the problems we're suffering are because of his accepting a pay rise and in turn towing company line.

Such gems as "bery appy with squad" , "brave meant stadium" , "no one in world football that can improve the team" (that's won nothing) "trophies are for egos"

I called all of that as bullshit at the time and I was right while others I'm sure yourself lapped up every word of it.

A few of us kept pointing at the clearly evident decline under his watch while he smiled waved, took the money and ignored the the team issues burning down around him.

Yet now the same fans who ignored all of this tell a different story there was never a poor performance, never an odd team selection, never had/kept/rewarded awful players bumper contracts and accept nothing more now than winning every game & trophy playing front foot champagne football because that's how it was before.

And when these impossible standards aren't met with an even worse side then comes the selective outrage.

It's pathetic disingenuous bullshit.

There were people on here who were slagging him off when we topped the league that's how crazed they are for him to fail (in turn the club to fail) you're a disgrace.

 

I'll tell you of 4 great Argies 2 played for us 1 plays for Barca and the other recently deceased.

No one had to pretend they were/are good or make excuses for them because they gave you no other option via performance.

Ozzie Villa Messi & Maradonna

That's genuine class not a pair of overpriced panzis that can't score assist or stay fit.

 

Are you mocking his accent? I rest my case

Proper disgrace