Matchday discussion

So, you suggest to project the past into future? You may be right, but you could be wrong as well. If I am Daniel Levy, I would wait. Unless Poch is willing to resign, he is not going to be dismissed. Otherwise he will be paid more than Mourinho got from MU. The relegation must be imminent for Spurs to fire Poch. Past results may only provide a hint.
Just imagine Poch got paid 25 millions to leave, gets MU manager job in a week or two and Spurs still stuck with players who feel being underpaid and thereby disinterested in working with new man in charge.

 

I'm glad we can agree on this finally.

 

Gotta say Lucas did more in 10 minutes yesterday than the entire team going forward.

 

I think you've summed up the current state of affairs at Tottenham very well; we've got unmotivated players, an unmotivated manager, and owners whose sole concern is the corporate bottom line, nothing else. Drifting along in our current rudderless state seems much the likeliest scenario, given that all concerned have got far too much to lose financially by actually taking the drastic action that we need, and we're thus looking to United or Real Madrid to save us by taking a punt on Pochettino, despite the clear failure of the 'project'. That's where we are, and although I agree with your summary, I'm still slightly puzzled that you've arrived at it with no obvious 'Road to Damascus' revelation - weren't we supposed to be better than Liverpool only a few weeks ago?

 

Just watched the Sunday supplement and I am amazed to listen to two of the three panelists praising pochetino as one of the top managers in the world.When did he overtake Klopp Conte Zidane guardiolo allegri mourino.and all the other serial winners in European football.As the discussion went on it became obvious that pochetino was nice to the press which could explain everything.Mourino did not **** up to the press and got hammered even though he has won more trophies than pochetino will ever see.Playing the press is a stroke of genius.The Everton manager is producing results like pochetino and the press are suggesting he will be sacked very soon.

 

Both of us are projecting into the future whether you realise it or not.

My projection, based on form statistics over the last half-season. It was clear we were struggling for the last 12 months. Our problems are not new. It's just that Pochettino started recently washing the dirty linens in public. Your basis of projection, ??? I don't know.

If you and Sherwood are correct in projecting that things will be worse before they get better, you know you might be right. We will WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP next year.

 

Well, the reason being I don't see it as failure the way you do. Project came to the end, IMO, instead. It was a success that changed perception of Spurs that existed for decades. Top 5 changed to Top 6 in Poch era, which alone is a monumental accomplishment, as it is now part of EPL history.
In my view it came to the end rather abruptly, whilst you saw it as manifestation of previous symptoms. I was confident this team had enough life for at least one more season, Spurs did and still do have quality players for that, but it went into coma and although not being dead, will not live to my expectations even if successfully reciprocated by Pochettino.
Spurs do not have the usual solution in firing the manager. They would need to fire the team. The best of the team want to be fired. Players did not, as usual, revolt against the gaffer. It will take the January and summer windows. That is the easy part. To buy new players in the market where Chelsea MU and Arsenal will continue to be dominant is very much difficult. Poch inability to scout may end his tenure prior to his contract end, but that will be past this season, not any time soon, unless Spurs are in relegation zone.

 

He didn't. But he is by far the best in his age group, i.e. fairly young and upcoming breed of those able to inspire a group of lads to become a confident group playing distinguished style. Football is evolving, buying a talent becomes terribly expensive. The managers able to produce fairly consistent results WITH WHAT WERE GIVEN, maybe even not winning, but keeping the club into conversation that , in turn, would produce a good attendance and shirt sales, have became so much in demand that Poch could get an offer figuratively next day after becoming available.
When "serial winners" will step off the European football scene, that group of football managers will dominate it. Two of them, just met in UCL final, both won nothing before. Klopp got his first trophy, but prior to that he was not among "serial winners", you put him on your list in error.
Klopp did similar to Poch job at
Dortmund when Pool call him for the next step in big club. Levy convinced Poch that Spurs ARE that big club. So the players were misled similarly. Levy failed to live to promise, I think, primarily by refusing to make Spurs wages comparable. If Poch leaves, the best will follow him to theirs and his "Liverpool".
The best way forward is to keep Poch and fire Levy. For that Levy must fire himself, i.e. to do the elimination-by-elevation. Levy must become a strictly club president and delegate all football operations to true football professional, like that dude at ManCity or the lady at Chelsea.
Even an optimist like myself would not believe in such a dream. But that would make the players happy again.

 

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Saturday 3.00pm we kick off at home to Sheffield Utd.

On the back of (This is not a joke) a 0-4 Away Win! Wild applause and cheers from everyone.

This win puts us 2nd in the group with a 4 point cushion from 3rd and gives us a great chance of at least qualification.

Now we turn our attention back to the Premier League where at the time of writing we currently sit -
11th 13pts 17gf 16ga
Bleak start is being generous to what has been some of the worst football I've ever witnessed from us in 30years , it's the 1st time in a long while I've felt watching it is a chore rather than anything remotely entertaining or what I'd call football.

The Blades currently sit -
6th 16pts 12gf 8ga
Quite noticeably they have the best defence in the league so far this season only Leicester being as equally tight at the back.
As I'd expect from a newly promoted side great organisation team work shape and balance would all be significant factors in this. Basically everything we struggle against....

So it's crucial that we take Utd seriously and it's crucial that we meet them with the same fight but also we move the ball quickly and perhaps take more chances with the ball to open up and create.

Midweek we played some more inspiring football from the recent turgid displays but we also did the same in the home tie before that, on both occasions certain faves were dropped and a better balance found.
We're red star poor? Definitely but how will we know if things are on the up if we don't stick to something that actually works???

This brings me onto the team selection for Saturday.

I am sick to death of Pochettinos sporadic management of the team, he has become the ultimate Tinker man which has brought either the most calamitous or the most inchohesively dull disjointed predictable sloppy slow football I've ever witnessed at Spurs.

We need to see the rebuild , we need to see where it's all going , we need to see some consistency with players in on performance not on reputation, that's how you build competition and team ethos.

If I see another massive shuffle of the deck again and the result is poor like most of us I'm gonna be tearing my hair out.

To have any hope of getting back in the top 4 mix we need to start winning and winning consistently it's as simple as that and on paper we should win this game, form wise we've been embarrassing but how much longer can bad performance Vs inferior teams be excused for sentiments towards a Manager over the actual club???

It's madness and only at Spurs

 

Great analysis!
Dull disjointed predictable sloppy slow football Vs. great organisation team work shape and balance.
My prediction we lose 0-2 to the mighty Blades.

 

I’d love to see a team of

Gazzaniga
Foyth Alderweireld Davies
Dier
Sissy Ndombele
Lo Celso Son Ali
Kane

Moura and winks to replace Dier and Ali if we are losing or drawing at half time

However. I think he will start with ce winks and Sanchez somehow in there

 

Unless he's been misquoted, misreported, mistranslated or plain misunderstood, Pochettino has apparently said that Spurs are effectively starting again from their situation in 2014, as if that's only to be expected. What about the 'building for the future', 'ahead of schedule', 'over-achieving' drivel we've been hearing from the ENIC/Pochettino fan club for the past five years - was 'The Project' just a rehearsal, and the next five/ten/you name it years will be spent actually trying to build a genuine winning team? Each time our manager opens his mouth, something bizarre comes out, and I really miss the simplicity of 'just run abaht a bit' and 'top top player' - it may not have been profound, but you didn't need a degree in psychology to make any sense of it.

 

For sure it's been a long, long time since I've headed to The Lane with no expectation of a win, nor of seeing the right team and a good performance. Since we returned from Wembley it's been dross (I missed Palace), and with the dreaded VAR overlay it's been the worst watch for donkey's years, as Felon said.

Wednesday saw us witness performances from the new men that we'd only dreamt about. Personally 'd like to see all three start (fat chance), but at least GLC and TND. No Ce please.

I think I'd go 4-2-3-1:

Gazza
Foyth (got to try him sometime) Toby, Sanchez (Verts if fit) Davies,
Sissoko, Dier,
Ndombele, Lo Celso, Sonny,
HK.

Perhaps Ndombele instead of Dier (as he's supposed to be box to box), with Dele in the 3, but he's been so poor for me. We will see.

COYS

 

Harry's certainly more entertaining than Poch for sure...……..

 

Think that 1st half shows just how poor a level red star are as opposed to how good we are.
Sheff Utd look like the home side , how we expect to win games playing as slowly and sideways as we do is truly baffling.

 

Only 45 more minutes of this dross thank god..The worst football I have seen at the Lane for 10 years. I have not seen a team give away possession so often surely professionals should be able to pass a ball to your own team even from 10 yards Pochetino has his work cut out at half time and if he can’t inspire the team to play with more pace and desire he should resign today

 

Kane is out of form. Davies has not the premier league standard. Very poor team... sheffield played better than us and it's the reason de need to change something and quickly ! Delle wasn't good but why MP substitutes him for Foyth ? We are the home team or not ??? When de were one more upfront with Lucas (as we were before the delle's substitution) we dominated the end of the game ! Pocchettino made some mistakes today... Davies for Rose. Substitution of Delle by Foyth and the too late arrival from Lucas !

 

again...

 

That was painful. Thought Lo Celso was good and will be great
Average to good- son Ndombele sissy
Average Davies Sanchez Kane
Poor. Aurier ali
**** Dier

 

Wonder why Pochettino would only consider giving Moura cameo appearances when things aren't going right. Obviously he thought Moura's the last resort when he did more than an off-form Kane for the whole match. Kane should have gone off earlier to make way for Moura. Pochettino simply keeps his fingers crossed and hopes that Kane will produce something. So much for in-game management.