Matchday discussion

I didn’t write it....I do think there is some truth to it though

 

I still say both Chelsea and Everton look better now than with their previous managers...no matter what the results. More attractive to watch and more of a threat than before

 

Probably the best of what is available.

I would like to see Tanganga just not sure if he would be better at RB than Aurier or safer than Sanchez at CB in such a big game right now.

Also, Winks for Ndombele after 15 mins when he’s blowing out his ass

 

I prefer Tanganga vs Aurier but Saturday he was rather disapointing and it's a champions league match...

In December Mourinho criticized Ndombelebecause he was injured all the time. On his return, he played small bits of the match and especially at the end ... He did not start to tenure again but we have all seen that the level of Ndombele since his return is no longer the same. Jose did the same in the past with quality players like Benzema in Madrid, Salah and even De Bruyne... Ndombele must recover but I think that with a real defensive midfielder next to him like Dier, he can bring much more than with Winks or Skipp ..

 

I really want to see a 4-3-3- for this one. My reasoning:

If playing with one up front then that one needs to be a specialist striker. None available at Spurs so all formations with one up front are out.
If playing with two up front then one needs to be a specialist striker else it risks being two people running in the same spaces and in each others way. No striker available at Spurs so....
That leaves three up front. If the opposition likes to have three central midfielders or have better two central midfielders then Spurs needs to have three central midfielders -> four left and those are defenders and a 4-3-3 formation as Spurs do not have three speedy attackers needed for a 4-2-3-1

But we'll se

 

This match highlighted the risk of defending too deep. The goal came from a bog-standard situation:
Opposition winger has the ball out wide. To defend against that the job of the FB/WB is to stop the cross from coming in, the job of the CBs are to deal with any balls coming by the FB/WB. Which leaves a possible question mark for what the central midfielder should do:
1. Help the FB/WB stop the cross
2. Help the CBs deal with balls coming by the WB/FB
3. Cover the opposition midfielder to stop him from being alone and free to take a shot if the ball were to come there

What happened was: One cross was stopped by the WB, after that a cross came in which was dealt with by a CB and then the ball came to a midfielder who was all alone and used the time and space to take a shot. GK should not have spilled it but it happened and a goal was scored.

Similar situations has happened in the past. Against Norwich there was a situation where Vertonghen wanted Bergwijn to move uo and cover a pass to the side or back but Bergwijn ignored his captain (with 10 years more experience) and instead ran to cover behind where there already was a player covering. The result was an easy pass by Norwich.
Yep, the situation irritated me..... I used to play as a defender and when midfielders tried to do my job then the situation always got more complicated....

 

Lloris
Aurier Toby dier tanganga
Winks skipp lo celso
Moura alli lamela

Cant understand the criticism of mourinho on calling ndombele out. Feels like a last resort to get a tune out of him. He's tried to ease him into games, given him starts, took him out the firing line at times, putting him on a special training routine and then publicly backed him after the wolves game when the video of him went viral of his pathetic lack of effort of attempting to put a challenge in.

 

Looks like Bergwijn is out for season now too

 

https://twitter.com/thespursweb/status/1237101196248264704?s=20

Take a look guys. Can't disagree.

 

The sooner we get rid of NDumb the better.
and Gedson.... and Aurier..... and Sanchez.....
AND whoever is in charge of fecking buying players

 

The effort off the ball is embarrassing really...it’s like a really good kid at school that has heaps of ability but knows it and can’t be bothered.

It’s a shame because when I watched him in CL before we got him, I thought he was a fit Yaya Toure but he looks more like Jan Molby or Neil Ruddock when he runs.

Needs to be be sold and replaced with someone who a bit more athletic to fit the PL. I think Grealish would be good but we won’t be able to afford him now

 

https://twitter.com/pokeefe1/status/1237098202026909698?s=20

N'Dombele analysis from Burnley game.
A talented player but super lazy, people are wondering why the defence has to go long because they can only pass it to each other so long before they get squeezed out and thats because there's literally no movement from the midfield or forwards no one wants it.

 

Yup, it certainly looks as if Spurs have finally found a successor to Dembele - when he's not in the treatment room, he's playing well within himself, and the odd flashes of brilliance only add to the frustration - it's our old Dembele to a tee!

 

What a weird first half. I thought we looked ok at the start but our defending is non existent when being counter attacked and we don’t seem to win any second balls

Aurier is the worst RB I have ever seen for defending. His positioning is terrible and his judgement is is erratic that it leaves everyone else under pressure.

Moura is completely ineffective and seems to have lost his pace and doesn’t react to any half chances at all. He cannot play as a CF and doesn’t defend at all well from the front

Lamela has a lot of effort but his final decision is more often than not terrible

Sessignon hasn’t won a single challenge and doesn’t give anything going forward

Winks cannot seem to retain possession at all and either gives the ball away or gets knocked of it although he does cover a lot of ground

Lloris should have done better with both goals

It seems like so far we havent chose either Burnley or Leipzig at the moment so maybe that is the problem although I don’t think JM could have done a great deal more tonight so far.

Hopefully his halftime team talk will stimulate 4 second half goals

 

Not watching but did you write this before the game??
If not you could have.

 

José ! Which one (Burnley or Leipzig) did you choose finally ? Hhahahhahhahahahhs
How **** we are! No midfield = NO HELP to our defense and NO HELP to our attack. Before To défend or to attack we have To build a descent midfield and with only 2 players and one of this or Winks.... it's impossible !
Hope that ManU beat us this Sunday and Jose can search a new club

 

At times it actually looked like the team could press as a team & maybe by playing together more they can improve together. The goals though....
Lloris is usually great at reaction-saves and have problems with well-placed shots from a distance. Not so surprised that the first one slipped through, at his best he'd have saved the second. But there were errors already before Lloris was called into action so the blame can be shared among several players.
When the players tired then it looked like they fell back into bad habits or simply didn't have the legs.
Two created chances. A striker might have scored the one that Alli had, the shot from Lo Celso was good but the real chance was with the rebound and a good/lucky striker might have been there to put it away.
& the corners are now at least getting into the danger-areas.

 

I really can’t comprehend how useless some of our players have become.Moura Ali Winks Lamela incapable of retaining possession and oh so easily knocked off the ball.Sessengon no where near premiership standard.Aurier worst defensive full back I have ever seen.3 goalkeepers and not one shot stopper amongst them.Three centre backs who couldn’t catch a cold .The centre backs for Leipzig had more pace than anybody in the spurs team.I do feel for Mourino but let’s be honest Newcastle have worse players than us but they don’t concede for fun like we do .I really believe that Mourino does not have a clue which players to play and what system to use.We have 9 more games to go this season and I will be surprised if we win one of them#unfortunately a promising youngster in Tanganga is being destroyed by the lack of system.There are teams lower in the table who have more discipline than us and at least make up for lack of talent by giving every thing on the pitch.Aurier is constantly caught out leaving us totally exposed but Mourino carries on picking him Why??Parrot may be too young but so is the young Chelsea boy.Surely Parrot can’t be worse than Moura.Nothing to lose give him a game

 

Well thank god that's over, we can stop pretending we're anything but a mid table side now.
Only once that's accepted by all parties can we start a proper rebuild.

The entire back 5 including the Goal keeper need removing and replacing plus the non entity back ups like KWP & Foyth Sessegnon.
Then onto the Midfield the only armband winks should ever wear are the inflatable types he's so badly out of his depth, don't extend Gedsons loan, sell Dier & Sissoko if we can get anything for that collection I'd be amazed. Recoup anything you can get for N'Dombele or endure his half hearted displays till he's worth nothing.
Lamela needs to be surgically removed before he manages a testimonial, Moura and Alli can go too.

Keep Gazza as a back up, LoCelso and beg Kane n Son to stay.

Then replace the whole side with professional footballers that can do the basics of defending, passing, moving and that give a sh;t.

Awfully put together and neglected squad, a complete embarrassment the only thing I'm shocked about is its it's taken this long for the negligence to catch up.

If we do not start next season without a new GK, RB, LB, DM, AM Back up striker as a minimum then itl be more of the same.
It's get the cheque book out time or its permanent mediocrity in a souless bowl

 

Mourino once again saying we don’t need to rebuild just get back the injured players .Who is he kidding does he think four returning players will make us competitive .Man united and Chelsea and wolves are light years a head of us and will probably strengthen in the summer.Three strikers and a midfield player will not improve our defence .we need to get rid of at least 8 and replace with better players . Even Levy must see this or is Mourino playing games.if we don’t buy big we are in for a few years of pain and we will lose Kane and Son