Matchday discussion

I said it a few weeks back....and still consider it an option........why not??
lets just play more of our youth all the time....they surely can't do any worse......and they might actual gel in 6 months ready for next season
NB....we'll of course have to play players that I don't think are good enough (Sanchez...Winks...Gedson) as we have limited options. But they might get better. .......I certainly wouldn't ever play Aurier or NDombele

(and while Kane & Son are injured)

Lloris
Tanganga, Sanchez, Toby, Davies
Gedson, Skipp, Winks, Sessegnon
Parrot, Bergwijn


NB....on Krul's antics......I have to say I thought he did brilliantly. The ref did nothing....so why should he stop?

 

For the games coming up.....

Lloris - injured
Alderweireld - carrying a knock
Son - injured
Kane - injured
Lamela - not fit
Sissoko - injured
Sessegnon - just returned
Ndombele- limp mode
Bergwijn - potential injury
Lucas - potential injury
Dier & Dele - likely banned.

Tell us what attacking easy on the eye pressing system you'd be applying in these circumstances.

Winks is an England international does this make him a world class player or a match winner?
Davies Wales
Sanchez Columbia and so on ......

 

And it's not about being PRO Mourinho it's just being fair and rational about the whole situation.
Most teams in the prem have internationals I don't see how this has any relevance whatsoever, players are either poor, average, good, world class we are knocking about in the poor to average ranks (the odd good) like most of the Prem without Kane & Son.

 

Last word on Krul the Wonder Keeper as it seems I'm banging my head on a wall here - er... nope, on second thoughts...what's the point, I really couldn't be bothered with it. Over and out.

 

Whilst krul was kicking the post reading his waterbottle running round the goal why didnt our penalty takers just roll the ball into the net and then see what the ref would do.

 

Norwich have 15 internationals + 4 U21 English internationals, the game was 50/50 because the quality was about the same all over the pitch

They were better in some positions than we are and vice versa

 

Not any time soon. High pressing is a new idea adopted by top coaches 10 years ago or so. It allows to obtain the ball on the opposition side and attack in quick transition, since the attacking players would already have the ball, cutting opponent midfield out. That looks great, but what Poch, Klopp and Pepe preach requires a lots of energy and kilometers from forward 3-4 players. You need to have a deep squad and rotate them to cope with numerous games. Spurs are shallow to begin with, have tons of injuries and, if told to play that way will drop down , like flies in November, eventually. Forwards do not like to work that hard (if not named Kane), they like to score goals. Eventually, when exploited like that, they lose interest and drop in form (Alli, Lucas). Remarkably, with Pool it took 3/4 of the season to happen, but Poch run the group to the ground with his "philosophy" for years. Poch approach was good, but not for ever. Older players do not last, younger lads do not have skills to use the ball once they obtain it after high press.
JM do not play high press. It is not his game. He doesn't like to develop attackers, he will play young lad only if he is already very good. He cuts the opponent midfield out by long balls. Or he would use skilled dribblers to get through middle on the run. That is why he fall in love with LoCelso. Not Hazard or Pogba, but comparable.
Having older and spent group could be behind Levy's decision to hire Mou.

 

What's going on here Spurporter ?
We seem to be finding common ground u and I haha.

The last year n a half Poch had totally lost the high press high energy side to this team and we may not have gone long but we spent many a game camped in our own half just trying to set Son and Kane off on the counter via CE or Alli. That entire dynamic is not available currently and has also lost CE.
For people to be slating JM like this wasn't a consistent problem before are only remembering up to 2017/18 football the following years have been in decline.
They've not suddenly crashed it's been a steady regression just carried by our 2 best players. And when they're not there it just exposes all of our weaknesses.

 

Felon you and I spent the last year criticising pochetino for not having a clue Even though Kane spent a fair time injured.I don’t recall the players getting all the blame.But now the same players with 3 additions and one departure are all to blame while the manager is not to blame for anything.This brings back memories of the poch lovers denying any responsibility

 

Just realised nobody comments on the fact that Mourino was going to ask the board which game to treat more importantly Burnley or Leipzig.i wonder if Klopp will ask the Liverpool board the same question about his games

 

The criticism of Poch was after he'd had years to assemble his squad and neglect it.
Mourinho has inherited the mess and the team overall is weaker regardless if we've signed a few.
That's the point

 

..... funny because it doesn't seem like they are treating any games as important

 

Below is a quote from Alexander Tettey (Norwich CM) following the game.

And Tettey has noticed a stark contrast between the ways that Tottenham played under each of the two managers.

He told VG in Norway: “They’ve changed completely from being very aggressive and good with the ball under Mauricio Pochettino, to what they’re doing now, where they just wait for you”

The words from a player who actually played against us with same players but different management style/tactics.

There is no mention of players simply a mention of a different playing style which has changed how teams play against us.

 

This is reprehensible on Mourinho part. We all know it is true what he was saying, but to speak about it openly sets defeatist atmosphere, which I as a long term supporter wholeheartedly condemn.
It is another indication that Spurs and Mourinho both made terrible mistake. I just do not want to blame the players that are now certainly set for failure with such attitude from the gaffer.

 

That is true, however such a statement is a clear departure form what you were saying earlier. You were saying Poch had no clue. I say he was fully aware of upcoming degradation, but has never permitted to himself or anyone of his staff to openly admit it, something JM is doing now. Such a move is terrible for the team, it undermines an effort by presenting players as being not good enough. It only means that Poch was not going to quit, whilst it seems like JM already have. The Serial Winner was not hired for that.

 

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51685406
Quote from the above link:
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MOTD COMMENTATOR'S NOTES

Tottenham's away form has been dreadful, with just three away league victories since their last visit to Turf Moor over a year ago.

The lack of forwards also remains a concern. Tottenham have lost seven of their past eight games without either Kane or Son in the team.
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A team without a recognised senior striker against one of the best defences in the league so far during 2020....

But the big discussion might yet be about Mourinho. Is he taking the spotlight and pressure of his players by what he is saying in public or is he also repeating it in private to them and already providing them with excuses to fail?

 

U forget to mention he played only against the 15/16 side and then returned for this season's side of course there's a stark contrast in style of play Pochettinos decline squad decline that's been dumped on JM

15/16 they lost 3-0 & 0-3 KANE with a brace in both ......

 

This is the best available at the moment IMO - 433

GK - Lloris
RB - Tanganga
CB - Toby (experience to cover RB)
CB - Sanchez
LB - Davies (experience to cover CB)
CM - Skipp
CM - Winks
CM - Ndombele
CAM - Lo Celso
CAM - Bergwijn
CF - Parrott (because he will be better than Alli or Moura)

I know Kane and Son have been mentioned on multiple occasions but I really believe that Sissoko is missed so much. He is a monster, I just wish he could pass/cross/shoot

 

I think you are missing my point.

If players know/believe that we now sit back and wait, supporters who are watching every single week can see that we drop deep, sit back and wait, then the game plan of every side we play, no matter who it is, will be to press us and push forward.

As a coach, when that is clearly not working, your job is to adjust things to counter it which hopefully leads to an improvement.

We haven’t had any attempt to change things?

There is no improvement. It’s a case of sit back and hope we can hit on the counter attack with a long ball.

Its not working and the players from other sides can see it’s not working which gives them confidence to attack, which then puts us on the back foot and the whole cycle starts again (not to mention the extra energy and effort that confidence gives).

The quote is from someone who has actually played against us recently (irrelevant of when his previous start was - the message is that Spurs have changed style to a sit back and wait team who no one fears)

 

I don’t agree with the persistence around Kane and Son...they are two players from a squad of 20. The other 18 should still be able to play football in their absence.

Every team has injuries or missing players due to international cups or injuries. They don’t rely on 2 players to carry the squad as we seem to.

That is because those other top sides have coaches who make formation and tactical changes to allow them to cope with any absence. We try and play exactly the same way (to be honest we may have scraped some points but it was still terrible football and bound to unravel with Kane and Son playing in the side anyway as we wouldn’t have been able to keep up the terrible performance, sneak a win streak)