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Discussion in 'Tottenham forum' started by bigfran, September 14, 2018.

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  1. Jesper Active Member

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    Attacking line-up so that was good.
    The conceded goals:
    -First one was just bad, Sanchez failed to clear it far up, Höjbjerg, with the most tackles in the Premier League, didn't bother to tackle to stop the counter and the counter led to an easy chance and a goal.
    -Second one was also bad. Not many calm heads there.... Not sure what Sanchez and Tanganga were doing. I suppose it might be a good thing that two CBs went for the ball instead of no CBs but it did leave one attacking player wide open.
    & a few more opportunities were better players would have punished the mistakes by Spurs.

    The subs:
    Putting in Son kind of makes sense, his speed and finishing ability should be a threat but don't give him defensive responsibilities he is simply not good at defending. Put him central to occupy the opposing CBs, not wide.
    Lamela is too reliant on his dominant foot and that makes him hold on to the ball too long. He's been a professional footballer for more than a decade so I am surprised that no coach have demanded that he practice more with his weaker foot.
    I'd rather have seen Moura stay on and the player to come in instead of Lo Celso to have been Bale.

    Rodon looks like he is a good defender, Vinicius does well as a central striker allowing Kane to drift wide while the CBs are not sure who to track. Ndombele is class.
     
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    If vinicius is so good at making space for Kane why was he taken off at half time or did the genius get it wrong again??
     
  3. THFC Guest

    It was the shape and personnel change at half time that dropped those points

     
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    With proper investment we still would have changed from 442 at half time when we had the lead?

     
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    Not behind us and still it’s nothing to to do with Jose

     
  6. Felon82 Well-Known Member

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    2 points in it and you're tromboning the 1 with all the advantages who manages a rival and then lambasting our Manager.
    It's 1 result difference ffs
     
  7. Jesper Active Member

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    True. Putting Son on the left of midfield and believing that Kane will occupy the whole of the Newcastle defence was never going to work. Seen it before, what happens is that Kane drops down in midfield and Son is pushed back so far that he is no longer playing to his strengths and is not a threat.

    If Kane is playing, and he will always play, then Spurs might need to go to a 442, 352 or even a 442-diamond-formation. Kane wants to get involved, possibly too much, and when he is dropping deep and nobody else is pushing up and keeping a focal point for the attack then Spurs are defending too deep. Combine that with midfielders who might keep the ball too long and the result is seldom good.
     
  8. THFC Guest

    Dear oh dear...as I have said a couple of times, no tromboning here. I’m pretty sure you were one of those saying last season that he should be judged on performances this season? Maybe we should wait until next season to give a bit more time for his methods and man management skills to shine through.

    As he has said “same coach, different players”. That’s the same coach that has done so well in his last few seasons with completely different players. We look exactly like Chelsea and United did just prior to his departures unfortunately. A split squad with limited self confidence and the attacking mindset of a relegation candidate.

    It is not 1 result difference...it’s 16 months of terrible performances, dropped points and finger pointing at players to completely destroy any team spirit that we do have.

    It’s quite laughable that you seem unable to acknowledge that Chelsea took action as a change was needed and their performances have improved since that change. It’s not about Tuchel, it’s about the impact that change can have with the right secretion. We changed to JM and we have consistently delivered poor performances and shown no real signs of improvement in either the quality of our play or the approach that we take.

     
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    Agreed, until the shape changed, we looked threatening then we reverted to inviting pressure (especially down the wings) and all of a sudden the only team looking likely to score (apart from on a quick counter here and there) was them.

     
  10. Felon82 Well-Known Member

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    Chelsea weren't in a complete state though they were just underperforming considering the 200mil investment in the team in the summer.
    Spurs took action and dumped Poch when we were 14th and in a calendar years worth of relegation form 2 completely different scenarios.
    And again il point to the fact that besides all the advantages Tuchel has he's currently 2 points ahead of us.
     
  11. Boring manager... boring tactics... refuses to play on the front foot despite a wealth of attacking options... apparently can only punch above his weight if he has Walter Samuel and Lucio at centre back
     
  12. THFC Guest

    10 of them were over 28 years old which is the same as our squad that some on here have said is past it/too old. They made a similar amount of signings to us in the summer (irrelevant if they were ripped off for 200mil or not). They had similar complaints (fans and media) about defensive mistakes so what is the difference between underperforming and complete state? 2 wins in 8 and in ninth place when Lampard was punted...not really 2 completely different scenarios?

    We need to do something because the players are not playing for the manager or each other and the manager does not seem to be inspiring the players or the fans. Perhaps someone with a different perspective could help improve morale and improve performances, especially against sides like Newcastle when we are winning. Also they may be able to see that Dier, Sanchez, Aurier and Doherty should never play for us again.

     
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    How many players have now been ostracised by Mourino this season.He has made it clear he doe not trust Ali Bergwin winks Sissoko Vinicius Dier Doherty Bale and in some cases he has publicly taken them down .All these players have friends in the club and will no doubt get their ear which leads to disharmony in the dressing room.Every where Mourino goes it finishes with the players being hostile to him.I don’t disagree with a lot of his opinions of players but there is a way of dealing with them and unfortunately Mourinos way is not it.Stones was a walking disaster at city but did Pep come out publicly no he didn’t and instead helped stones improve apart from the odd faux pas(last week)Ofthe names mentioned above he was responsible for signing at least 3 of them which does make me question would you trust him with another transfer budget
     
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    Does any one else find Mourinos post match comments bewildering.He says that he does not need to work more with the players as they work well and then he says that the goals against are not all down to just mistakes but the quality of the players.He then goes on to say that he knows in a game that there are circumstances when he knows when we have the ball it will will finish up with our keeper which I assume he means we will give the ball away .These are surely things that you work on in practice.Does any one know if Mourino actually takes training personally or is it left to his trusty assistant.He promoted Ledley and I hoped he would improve us defensively but that has not happened.I think the appointment was to placate supporters.I love Ledley but I don’t really see him as a coach
     
  15. Guesty Guest

    I would agree with JM.... they are poor players and cannot be trusted.
    NB..... if Bale hadn't missed 3 years he'd still be a very decent player..... but of course still in the Madrid team.

    Adding to JM's list I'd add Sanchez, Aurier, Lo Celso, Lamela, Moura, Davies, NDombele....... far too many poor players

    JM may have made some shocking team & tactical selections...... but he isn't helped with the sh1te he has to pick from
     
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    I think you are missing my point Guesty .Yes we have a lot of **** players but my point is Mourino does not have a clue how to deal with them.Going public only causes resentment and disharmony in the squad.Let’s not forget he chose some of the shite in the transfer window and seems to have a love affair with Sanchez who would struggle in the championship.Do you really think Newcastle players were so good that they would walk into our team because they would not .Bad as our players are they are probably better than most of the other premier squads just badly managed and coached
     
  17. Guesty Guest

    I think a change in manager can certainly help with livening up the players with passion, commitment, energy, etc......
    And picking a better formation and starting 11....

    but I don't think any manager is improving the shockingly bad basics that some of our players have.
    Or also the two left feet Sanchez has in the middle of our defence.
    Or the negativety in Winks play.
    Or the laziness in Dele's play. and NDombele's.
    Or which lesser of two RB evils to pick between Aurier or Doherty
    Or which left foot championship player to pick between Lamela or Lo Celso

    Unfortunately a lot of the squad have more negatives in their game than positives
     
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    I do wonder what sort of player ndombele would be playing for Pep.You don’t see their players with a lazy attitude.I agree with Mourino in respect of N dombele in that he is a talent who does not perform at full throttle and needs a good kick up the rear to become a real player.such a waste of talent.Same with Ali.
     
  19. Felon82 Well-Known Member

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    Do you trust these players then?
    Or should he **** up to them when most are clearly not good enough or putting in enough effort?
     
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    My point is this should be done in house not in public to cover his own back.I never said that the players were good or bad but no other manager throws players under the bus so often
     

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