Matchday discussion

I'm afraid I've had enough of The Pochy Horror Show for now. Time to move on MP, go now please.

 

I DO remember 1962 and also four years before that but I also remember countless hidings of 5,6 and 7 goals at the hands, or rather feet, of Blackburn, Burnley, Sheffield United, The Manchesters, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Newcastle and an 8 at Derby since that - has any other Top- Flight side racked up so many hammerings I wonder ? I very much doubt it - a trawl through the various History tomes will answer that one but at this time I've lost interest so raw memory will do. I wouldn't even dream of following another team, even as an impressionable kid I didn't - a Fan just doesn't do that, BUT he has the right to expect his team to show some pride and, at ALL times, maximum effort. Why shouldn't a fan expect a Title or Cup challenge from his team - if the game, to players, is about more than trousering obscene amounts of cash then each should play his honest part in trying to deliver those challenges, not - as some do - flitting in and out of games with an apparent disregard for any part of it and a Manager who now just doesn't look interested either. On your point of someone shaking up another in the tunnel or on the training park - a valid point, but who is responsible for identifying that player and putting him on the team anyway. Manager's job I reckon; who makes an error- ridden 'keeper who hardly utters a word to anyone his Captain ? Manager again ain't it. Two scenarios before anything else is even discussed. I don't have any magic solutions to this crisis, who amongst us does, but I do think an opinion on the shambles I see unfolding is valid, whether it be regarding puzzling selections, apparent lack of effort or evidently sub-par players. Yes, I'd like to see Spurs be entertaining again, win stuff and be a consistently strong side, but at this stage I'd just like to see them stop being so bloody embarrassing.

 

Welcome Ian, albeit we wish for better times. I understand the "Ohhh Tottenham Football" stuff, but something has to change and soon. As you can't ship out players wholesale, you do what other clubs do to put things right - you change the manager. I'm not a Poch hater, but something just has to happen...AND QUICK.

 

It wont happen, don't expect quick changes. The way Poch sounds now is indicative that team needs a rebuild. He knows what Spurs need. Rebuild is a long and expensive project. He , I guess, will try to squeeze some results from this group. He will also try to introduce the new players down the road. We will see our new signing in actions, including a few signings in January (I hope Spurs will acquire an expensive G). Do you really believe that Southgate will do better? Will Levy go for huge payout? I don't think the coach change will happen. I think Spurs will repeat Wenger re-build after they built the new stadium. With Poch. Mediocrity of the team is unlikely to affect attendance for TH Stadium. There is also remote possibility that things aren't that bad and Sherwood is right.

 

Tottenham garnered the LEAST POINTS of all EPL clubs during the last 18/19 matches. That's why I think it's absurdly ridiculous to think that it is not a disaster. Sherwood said that things have to get worse to get better. How much worse do you expect?

Ranieri guided Leicester to a EPL title and got fire the next season when they were 1 point above relegation zone. Based on current form, we are bottom of the heap.

No matter how good a manager is, when things don't work out, it time to part ways amicably.

 

Spurporter you amaze me with your comments about team needing a rebuild most of us have been saying this for the last two years.Do you really want a 5 year repeat of what we are getting now.This rebuild you talk of should have been done gradually over the last two windows so we would not be struggling with out of contract players.Blame Levy for this but don’t tell me that pochetino was not aware of this. The great Alex Ferguson was continually getting rid of players not committed whatever their profile.If there is money available in the next window do you trust pochetino to spend it wisely after all the duds that have been purchased under his management.I personally think he is a busted flush

 

How many of the pochetino lovers including the idiotic sherwood who thought Bentaleb was world class realise that the last 18 games in the premiership would have Tottenham bottom of the pile.This is not a sudden blip but a total meltdown and if allowed to continue will result in championship football next year.The last time this happened it took about 20 years to recover.Lets see how levy makes ends meet then

 

Spurporter - do you seriously believe that there won't be a fall in attendances? If Spurs couldn't fill a 36000 seater every single time, what makes you think an additional 26000 will roll up to the Lane, when the new-ground novelty has worn off and the CL is just a memory, to watch a mid-table side struggle against all but the weakest opposition. 'Cos that's where we're headed at this rate. And fast too.

 

Pochettino himself cuts an utterly fed up , grumpy , prickly shape of a person.
You don't get or start new enthusiastic projects with this demeanor.

He is not the man to rebuild this and any talk of a further 5 year transition under this regime is just delusional to think it can be done.

Poch needs to go , it's not a blot on him as man or his management record with us but once the rot sets in and it has there's never been in my lifetime a manager that has turned it round.

Wenger was close to having to be prized out of Arsenal and hated by a large number of fans , this was from 1 of their all time most successful managers a serial trophy collector something Pochettino isn't even near too.

Would we all prefer it worked out ? Of course but we are getting towards big decision time because the shape we are in currently since Jan is worryingly bad.

And I for 1 would rather see a manager and team with a plan and some enthusiasm.

 

Ferguson did not go through new stadium and inevitable austerity that comes with it. Not only it affects the acquisitions, but also sales of unwanted under performers. Losses are hard to take for Levy, would you blame him for it? Gooners is proper comparison as Levy seems to follow their footsteps.

Poch is not a scout, I said it already. He is a talent evaluator. As a result the club has to do a lot of transactions for him: Buy-Evaluate-Discriminate-Sell. At some point they consciously decided to do away with it and not to buy any players. Haven't they known how it will end? I'm sure they have. But now the stadium is built and Levy can count on increased revenues regardless of club standing. Levy saved not only a lot of money, but the time required to buy and sell, whilst stadium demanded his involvement. Pochetino? What did he get out of that? I think he has got his job security, as part of this conspiracy or freedom to leave should someone calls on him. Who got screwed? The fans and some players.

 

This is a valid concern. However, times have changed since when we started to follow the THFC. Football became No.1 entertainment. Look at other clubs, look at the bottomfeeders, the NewCastles of the league. Relegation is the only scary thing in that regard, I'd think.

 

Relegation? Already?

 

Unfortunately a lot of us bought into the Poch is magic and to be fair he did well for a couple of seasons and when it came to the point when we should push on and invest in players we went off to Wembley and built our lovely new stadium (bloody impressive though) imo everyone is to blame ENIC, Levy and the players but all players are more concerned about the money in the bank as for Poch it would appear he has lost the plot sticking Sanchez/Sissoko at right back Dier as a CDM on his own Eriksen floating around it's quite painful to watch the list could on but will he get the sack or leave I doubt it unless we are midtable come January but even then he may still hang on but if he does go who would come in don't think there will be many takers

 

I hate to be rude but does anyone Know, what Spurporter is on about when he says pochetino is not a scout but a talent evaluator and the club has to do a lot of transactions for him.He is the manager for fs sake.What sort of transactions do Liverpool and city do that their managers don’t agree to..The increased revenues he talks about will only come with a successful team not a mediocre mid table team.Wake up and see the wood from the trees before its to late

 

Not much of a ride to be enjoying unfortunately but I’m glad it’s making you happy.

what can I add that hasn’t already been said, terrible performance today. You couldn’t make this season up, Cruyff miskicks and then a terrible injury today , hope Lloris is ok, it looked really nasty and I expect him out for a long while. That may save my heart with the playing out from the back a bit, although I would have thought Hugo would have saved at least one or two of those second goals- he is a better shot stopper
I didn’t see the Bayern game, some reports said we could have been 3 goals to the good in the first half an hour and the best we played all season- small margins eh?

as I have said recently, I think we should assume CE is gone and pick others instead who give 100%

I think we have a good team in there and can turn this slump around, whether we will or not is a different matter, we do need a leader on the pitch and can’t see who that would be at the moment

I think we miss Sissoko with him stuck at right back, our midfield was over run today

Big test for Poch, has he lost the dressing room, I doubt it but a few of the players stating they want to move on but not being able to can’t be helping International break is a very useful timing as we have got a big season defining 3 games when we get back

I for one am not disowning this team or manager yet, I’ve enjoyed following a team that over the last few years is consistently up there in the top 4 and competing in Europe - I spent too many years being consistently pilloried by arsenal and Chelsea fans saying their team was better than mine and unfortunately they were! Most teams have a slump and this is obviously a big one but I think they have enough stored in the bank from the passed few years to stick behind them

COYS

 

It doesn't make me happy 1 bit.

It's just the bashing I've took from many when I warned that glorifying nearly there with title fades, final no shows, semi capitulations and finally the ridiculous notion this team couldn't be improved and was just gonna get better was gonna run out of momentum has now come to fruition.

I warn of these things because I don't want it to happen.
And ignoring these issues while blindly celebrating gets us nowhere.

 

He's not a manger, like Klopp or Pep or Arsen. When he says he's a Head Coach I find it being close to reality. Poch is the kind Levy wanted, that is why Mourinho will not work with Levy. It is what it is. He is what he is.

 

Felon, You are always right. Because you are always right at the end. Because everything has an end. Because everything comes to its end.

 

Same here. Well put.

 

Go and look at results for past 18/19 matches. Don't be surprised. Just be informed.