Leipzig At The Lane

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  1. palmover Active Member

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    JM's team selection and formation didn't deal with the chavs wb's, moura and son needed to drop and mark the wb's, in effect turning spurs into 442, however, throughout the first half the wb's were the chavs out ball. Jm went like for like 2nd half which didn't make much difference.
    IMO JM should go back to basic's and play 4411 or 442, no more serge playing high up the pitch or verts tucking in to make a 3. Now son is out i wouldn't mind seeing a mid 4 of: RM: sisoko, CM: tanguy, DM ?, LM: sess/ Locelso.
    The most annoying thing is that the goals conceded were so preventable, Gazzas Kung fu mis kick takes the biscuit, now we know why he's a number two. COys


     
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  2. Guesty Guest

    .... jyst on the Rutiger racism issue

    Now I in no way condone racism in any form.....and if guilty we have to do whatever we can to remove it from our home.

    It seems our high tech stadium is just that. Looking at individuals and lip reading etc is top stuff....
    .... and at the moment...after extensive reviews... nothing has been found.

    So what happens if the conclusion is that no fan made any racist comment(s) to Rutiger? ... and he's 'misheard' something
     
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  3. Spurporter Active Member

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    Must be "except to start Ndobele".
    From what I gather N'dobele is not fit to play the whole 90 min. We have Dembele alike in 22 year old. Hope it is merely due to injury and its recovery.
     
  4. Felon82 Well-Known Member

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    Merry Christmas to all my fellow Spurs sufferers.
    Lets hope the Ghosts of cup wins past visited old Scrooge last night and told him to buy some players in January.

    COYS
     
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    Bazza47 Well-Known Member

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    And a Merry Christmas to you too Felon. Don't hold out much hope, so it's going to be a roller coaster from here this season....
     
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    fantastic first half against Brighton .total rubbish.I was one who thought Mourino would be an uplift for the club but after 6 games the football at times is worse than under pochetino.Why oh why is winks playing with sissoko our midfield is totally inept and was allowed to be by pochetino not investing in the window. At this rate fans will start to question whether. Mourino has lost it as was suggested at man united
     
  7. Felon82 Well-Known Member

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    He can only work with what he's got and at least we're not passing it around in our own box for most of the game.
    It cud be a lot better of course but he's had 6 games with someone else's knackered squad give him a couple windows at least.
     
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    Preed Active Member

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    At least we turned it round but surely decelso should start.Ndombele not even on bench is this injury or can he not last 90 minutes if so why do we buy players who can’t cope with the premiership.Doesntsay much about our scouting system.Ali and Moura at last started to play in the last 20 minutes and we matched up with 3 in midfield which we need to do as we don’t have two whocan cope on their own
     
  9. THFC Guest

    Sell: Rose, Dier, KWP, CCV, Eriksen, Wanyama, Lamela, Lloris (while he is worth something) & Foyth

    Buy: Stevens (Sheffield Utd) as Chillwell wouldn’t sign for us, Pereria (Leicester), Varane (px for Eriksen - or create a “special relationship” with PSG or Barca), Nubel (Schalke), Soumare (Lille) or Rice (WHU), Traore (Wolves) & Grealish (Villa)

    Buy a treadmill for Ndombele
    Buy a stress ball for Son
    Buy laser surgery for Winks to bring back colour to his vision (we are in white shirts)
    Practice first touch with Moura
    Practice timing/game reading with Sanchez
    Practice defending with Aurier
    Practice catching with Gazzaniga (to avoid any more Jackie Chan impressions)
    Practice running with a ball with Sessignon (not just running)
     
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  10. Spurporter Active Member

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    We could not have won without Eriksen. I hope JM will start him against Canaries. It is a gamble to start him, not knowing what he is like on particular day, but it is also a gamble not to.
     
  11. Big fran Guest

    Proper fans with an ounce of knowledge won't question mourinho. This isn't his squad he's not signed one single player of a poor bunch of players he's been left with. It's an unbalanced one at that. Judge him after a window or two. On the style I find the tempo much easier to watch than stringing 15 passes together and still in your own half only to lose possession and concede. I'm sure with more quality the style may alter. No chance on varane however.
     
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  12. palmover Active Member

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    5 wins from 7 Pl games at a rate of more than 2ppg, scoring 16 goals is a lot better than what was happening under MP. When looking at the big picture JM has got spurs winning again and picking up points at a decent rate. Again when looking at the big picture JM inherited a squad with lots of problems, however, since he has been in charge the vibes, (except for rose) has been good. Ce and verts will be able to talk with other clubs in Jan, so i think both will leave in the summer, however, Jm has used them both to help spurs win points.
    The one problem i had with the playing style is that spurs didn't play out from the back, yesterday 2nd half spurs started to pass more from the back and looked a lot better. I think JM is taking time to put together a playing style working on one aspect at a time.
    Spurs need an athletic Dm who knows the role this player alone would enhance the other players and make spurs a better team. COys
     
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    Merry Christmas all .
    Theres been some inevitable changes since I've last been here , it was coming in fairness . There were some great times under Poch , ultimately we never managed to get over the final hurdle with him but what he achieved under very strange & difficult circumstances shouldn't be forgotten or underestimated . Overall he did a super job i.m.o , not perfect by any means but really good overall . But let's be honest here , it was certainly gone stale over the whole of 2019 . We got away with it for large periods in terms of results but the performances were telling a different story . Why did this happen tho , well i.m.o it's complicated , there's a multitude of reasons for it , a lot were predicted here and some weren't but the last word from me on it is , no-one involved were blameless from owners to management to players , they all played a part and as is the way in football , the buck always stops with the management . A change was needed for everyone in the end and again i.m.o the manager knew this and was ready for it himself .

    We'll i have to be honest , I ****ing detest Mourinho and his ways . He's a horrible **** and I won't be changing my mind on that just because he's now our gaffer . I wasn't expecting any miracles when he came in , there's too many deep rooted problems here at the moment for that but at least results have improved . The performances have been horrific for the most part tho and that won't be changing anytime soon by the looks of it . I don't expect him to be here too long , all evidence would suggest that's just the norm with him so hopefully it goes ok and at the very least he leaves us in a better place then when he found us . I won't be too active around here while he's in charge because I feel I won't be able to give a fair assessment given my hatred for the man .

    Take care everyone , all the best for the new year , and I hope it goes well regarding the football regardless of the prick in charge . C.O.Y.S .....
     
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    Bazza47 Well-Known Member

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    So....what do I really make of where we are at.

    After 19 games we have 29 points. Last season 45 points.

    We've gone 5-0-2 for 15 points, 16 goals, but 8 conceded

    Last term we couldn't beat the top teams. No change there.

    Are we better under Jose, I guess we are, but despite all his worldly experience, he couldn't set us up right against Chelski, or change it quick enough.

    We made basic errors against Manure and Chelski, or rather Aurier and Gazza did. Bottom line - they're not good enough.

    We need too many players to materially change the squad short term, and it remains to be seen if DL will change the habits of a lifetime and support JM with January signings.

    So.... what do I really make of where we are at - hang onto your hats, it's going to be a rocky ride.
     
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  15. Felon82 Well-Known Member

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    We are in a similar situation to when Poch took over (worse if u consider league position and results) Pochs 1st season with us was turgid if no 1 remembers we ambled our way to 5th spot with a shocking defence and misfiring attack, if anything Pochettino at least had a young side with a lot of potential in it.
    The squad has been badly neglected and between Levy & Pochs antics they managed to not only not improve on a good spine/formula but cause some real unrest in the camp.
    People need to realise and seriously evaluate what Mourinho has took on here, it's a serious rebuild needed which will only come with time and fresh blood.
    What have we had so far some good performances, some flat, some poor it can't be turned around in 6 games and it preposterous for fans to be expecting anything else at the moment.
    What and the only thing that needs to be taken into account is that we can win away now, were not getting beat by lesser teams we've gone from being 14th n not a hope in hell of making top4 to being well within a shout.
    Amazingly Poch was seemingly to be offered a never ending no time limited learning curve yet JMs been in for 6 games and people are agitating about him it's incredible it really is.
    As you know il be the first to call things out when they're warranted but I'm gonna save my judgement for end of season and also after summer window before I start hounding out JM and what's going on.
    What I see so far is a team aiming to get forward and beat the opposition which is light years ahead of the absolute tosh Poch was serving up every week B4 he got the chop. We are winning ugly with a neglected unbalanced limited squad , get some out and some quality in then see how we are doing.
    Jeez I never thought I'd be the 1 calling for patience but come on 6 games FFS????
     
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    Gordon Mc Well-Known Member

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    I've been in the complainer's camp, I've aired my continuing dislike for Mourinho and been well p*ssed at a couple of the performances but I'm prepared to give him time. Only thing is he doesn't usually hang about too long and whatever surgery is needed may take longer than he will be in post. So it'll be Square One time again - that's what frustrates me so much.
     
  17. Big fran Guest

    Got to agree with felon. Put your sentiment to one side and give the man some credit for the turn around in results and performances tbf. On poch it was a simple story of every manager having a time cycle in each job. Only time managers get longer than that are if they are constantly given funds to refresh, replenish and in fergusons case rebuild. Poch was granted that but however when given money he invariably failed. His summer signings point in case.
     
  18. Spurporter Active Member

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    I have never hated Mourinho as passionately as some in here. I was and still am afraid that his tenure will end up in tears, like it has for other clubs. But I wouldn't question his ability to manage. Yet, I have to disagree with Felon82: Mou is not here for a rebuild. He is here to keep the wantaways in. Toby was sort of easier case, Vert I guess will follow given his age, whilst Eriksen should be his true target. As someone who spent time in Spain, JM can picture CE situation of him being on the bench at RM. Or moving to the shtty squad at MUFC, he was there as well. If Eriksen is retained, then only complimentary performers would need to be acquired. (G, LFB, RFB, etc.). That will be possible to do in up coming windows.
    JM says he knows CE plans, but wont tell. I like that development.
     
  19. palmover Active Member

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    If Ce was staying why hasn't he signed a new contract with Spurs? In a weeks time his agents are free to agree terms with any club that wants him and i am sure there will be a few takers.
    Ce is a decent player, however, he is way overrated and not even close to KDB who is the real deal.
     
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    The priority for me is to sort out the central midfield, doing so might stop the pressure on the defense and reducing the pressure on the defense should hopefully reduce the number of mistakes in the defense.

    The midfielders are now often defending so deep that they are not doing their job. The midfield should let the defense be the last line of defense and not try to do the job of the defense. If the midfield cannot or will not get close to the opposition midfield then sooner or later the pressure will tell and either a killer pass will be made by the opposition or a defender will make a mistake.
    When I see some midfielders always chasing the ball but never closing down their man then I just want to shout at the tv. Some pundits say it is about being outnumbered in the midfield, for me I say it is about players not covering their man in the hope that they can run faster than a ball can be passed. Against lesser opposition then maybe that can happen, against average/good teams then no - they cannot run faster than the ball can be passed.

    With all the suspensions then maybe something new can be tried, I seem to remember Rose playing once as a DM. Might be worth a try, he can tackle, he plays with aggression and he's not good enough for LB but he might be able to do a high intensity job as DM. I believe he might do better than Dier in DM, Dier has better long-range passing but is not mobile enough. I'd rather see some lighter players in DM playing like Kante, Ndidi and the like.
    As is then it looks like some bullies are playing keep ball and the Spurs midfield are afraid to get close to their bullies and the result is that the midfield is bypassed, overun and generally looking helpless.
     

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