Matchday discussion

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  1. Jose's Ghost Guest

    Enough of the Jose hard on... you will not find a more cynical manager in football.

    But he is charming in his own way... and his pragmatism is effective.

    The football will be shite... that is obvious... but that has less to do with the players than it has to do with the manager. So let's not pretend that Jose is maximising those at his disposal.

    We will win something this year I expect... it will be ugly a.f... but perhaps the time has come where Spurs are best read about rather than watched.
     
  2. Jose's Ghost Guest

    I thought Stan Collymore was a clear and utter **** after reading his comments on Spurs signing Bale the other day so I'm surprised to see such nonsense surface here... it seems some would rather differentiate themselves by only being contrary in nature.

    Spurs resigning Bale... something long thought impossible... was an absolute masterstroke by Levy. I'm not defending the prig... after watching All or Nothing I find him far weirder than advertised. But it is what it is.

    Bale is still one of the best players on earth... whether he can only stay fit for 15/20 odd games is irrelevant. It is a massive shot in the arm for the club and elevates all of those around. Do you think the Spaniard Reguilon... a top class player... would have signed with us otherwise?

    I thought the days of us bringing in established star players were done... but thankfully not. Bale is not only a superstar in his own right but a favourite son. Yet you're questioning it? mind boggling.
     
  3. Cheshuntboy Guest

    Have you been reading too many 'stream of consciousness' novels, or are you on the 'waccy-baccy'? Trying to make some sense of your post, it's obvious that Spurs' glory days were in the '50s and '60s: the only two league titles in our history, three FA Cups in six seasons, first European trophy for a British club, and the best attendances in the league for much of that time - what don't you get about that?
    I guess your second paragraph is a reference to Pochettino, who couldn't get us over the line in a succession of failed cup campaigns, oversaw an embarrassing collapse in the '3rd in a two horse race' season, and then left the club in 14th place in the PL following ten months of near-relegation form, masked by the flukiest run to the final in the history of the CL, and perhaps the worst performance in the final itself in that same history. He's gone, and I reckon YOU'RE the one who should get with the times.
    As for Bale, he was a legend for us a decade ago, but we've no idea what we're getting now, and the current state of the club clearly means that it's a gamble on Levy's part, not a considered strategy, and I repeat that it's a sign of desperation, not a cunning plan. If he proves me wrong, I'll very happily hold my hand up - OK?
     
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  4. Guesty Guest

    I think the thing we have going for us is that Bale wants to play football and he wants to play for us.
    Yes there are wages involved.... and he will get get that....but I get the feeling he wants to get on the pitch and score lots of goals to stick 2 fingers up at Real Madrid.
    That, for us, can only be a good thing.
    And he us a really good player.
    JM will hopefully get him fighting fit

    We just need 7 midfielders/defenders and a keeper to keep less out than Bale, Kane & Son can score.
     
  5. Jose's Ghost Guest

    Thanks for the recap but I am already familiar with your strange arguments.

    Forever droning on about our 'glorious past'... a long gone short lived era in our existence... is patently out of touch and frankly a little embarrassing. I like a bit of ancient history but best not applied to football. Of course we shouldn't forget... nor have we... it is part of the club's ethos. But have some perspective... a lot of water has passed under the bridge since then.

    Again... a whopping two league titles... never champions of Europe... so what on earth are you talking about? Domestic tin cups? They are and have always been something of a lottery... eight straight FA semi defeats should surely make that obvious to you. There is glory to be had of course but ultimately they mean little these days now league position is king (if the Carabao floats your boat then Juande Ramos is your man). Football is fundamentally about one thing... winning football matches... and in our case best done with style. Pochettino... like Redknapp... gets credit for doing so. What fool would deny him that?

    As for Bale you needn't hold your hand up... you've already made a goose of yourself. It's a genius deal... no transfer fee and less than half the wages for one of the world's top players with an option to extend a second season. Obviously it is not part of some greater strategy... an opportunity presented itself and the chairman actually acted upon it. Don't question it ffs...you should be encouraging it.
     
  6. Felon82 Well-Known Member

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    State of this.

    Getting off on how wages are structured and deals are made is certainly not what football is about.
    Winning Trophies is the main objective in any sport for any top club/player/sportsman etc.
    In our history the era Cheshunt is speaking of is our glory era it's the bench mark that we have failed miserably to try and recapture other than a spell in the 80s.
    What is embarrassing is your poo pooing of it all as if it means nothing, we always were considered a big team with cup pedigree and style until the accountant & investment company took over and soon put a stop to any hope of seriously contending for anything, with their obsession for buying young potential, placing resale value above actual quality or what we need, putting as little as possible into the 1st team, never truly backing any manager to give him the tools required to be a proper success.

    The front 3 of Son Bale & Kane looks great on paper and if it clicks could be a joy to watch, but as for the rest of the side it's severely lacking in quality, depth and or consistency.

    The good news is they're all actually starting to talk about winning trophies and that it's what they all need to do, so Id expect someone who values them so little to be distraught at such a waste of time and energy.

    Thoughts are with you at this difficult time.
     
  7. Cheshuntboy Guest

    Trying to respond to an illogical rant is really pretty futile, but it's raining and I'm at a loose end so here goes. Our past trophies apparently count for nothing, and neither do current domestic ones, and yet 'winning football matches' is what it's all about - except those irrelevant cup games, of course. Presumably the only 'cup' you're interested in is the CL, but Pochettino's team blew its chance in 2019, and another serious tilt looks as far away as ever, Bale or no Bale. Arsenal have never won the CL, neither have City, but only a total idiot would dismiss their roll call of success in the past twenty years because of that oversight.
    Gareth Bale is a straw clutched by Levy to cover the growing disaster of ENIC's mismanagement of the club, and I posted on here a couple of weeks back that I was genuinely worried that Spurs could be brought down by the stupendous level of debt we're now carrying. Even without covid-19, it's hard to imagine the stadium being filled with such a rag-bag team playing such unconvincing football, but the latest coronavirus panic measures mean that we're facing a black hole, and I'm only surprised that Levy hasn't tried to persuade Crouch and Lennon to come back, to revive that 2011 San Siro spirit, and disguise our current mess.
    You're happy with no trophies and with cobbling together a team with opportunistic acquisitions without a coherent strategy, and I'm not, so let's leave it there.
     
  8. Jose's Ghost Guest

    My you certainly blow hot and cold Felon82 (was that your inmate number?) There is a place called the middle ground... I've seen you there once before. You should visit more often lest you go and burn anymore houses down.

    Seriously nobody is more respectful of the club's traditions than myself... I don't recall you defending its virtues. Indeed what is apparent is that fellows such as yourself and Cheshuntboy would gladly sell your own (and the club's) soul for one night with a Carabao. Now that is embarrassing but do as you please... just don't go dressing up the mutton that Jose's serving as lamb to conceal your desperation.

    Stay safe.
     
  9. Jose's Ghost Guest

    Sorry Cheshuntboy I enjoy a bit of banter but those who show a distinct lack of reasoning really shouldn't be giving advice about what is logical or not.

    So you don't like Argentinians... that is fine. Something about the Falklands? or the World Cup? or did Ossie Ardiles refuse to give you his autograph once? No matter.

    You can live there... it must have been a wonderful time (I'm serious)... but it is not 1961 anymore. Indeed there have been nigh 60 seasons of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club since. Long may the virtues of that golden era persist but time moves on... such is life.
     
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  11. THFC Guest

    Everyone is entitled to their opinions and no one is right or wrong. Sometimes we agree, more often than not we don’t but isn’t this site all about sharing what’s on your mind and debating people’s opinions?
    It’s a little comfusing when comments become personal or responses only seem to value their own beliefs.
    Member or guest, young or old, it’s important to read what people are saying, respond with your own opinions but to do it respectfully because everyone on this site loves the club and we are all spurs fans.
    It’s impossible not to mention the past because the past has an impact on our beliefs about what we want to see and our expectations for the future so from Poch to 60’s it will always form part of what you think about JM and this season because that’s what you are comparing things against.
    I’m not convinced by our football yet but do like JM...I’m not convinced JM is the right man for the job based on how we are playing but hope he can get us playing better as he is grinding out results. I don’t know who would do a better job than JM at the moment so it’s a tough one. We do need to sell about 8 players and start again but most of those players should still be good enough to perform better than they are currently.
    Let’s get Bale and Reguilon playing, hopefully sign another CB and back up CF then see what happens. If we are still playing deep, defensive punt ball at the end of the season it’s a problem, especially when from what I’ve seen on the documentary, that clearly is not the instructions that JM is giving them.
     
  12. Alanh Guest

    Haven't been on here for awhile but good to see the misery is still flowing like wine. It's been a pretty good week and if recent reports are to be believed things could be getting even better. This site saves me money as I don't need to go to the pub to listen to some old git moan when I can get it right here. Wehhey
     
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    Preed Well-Known Member

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    Has anybody noticed that the posts on here that don’t like criticism and don’t seem to think spurs need to win something are all guests and not members I wonder why???I keep in touch with most of the spurs web sites and I can tell you that the views of Felon82 and cheshuntboy are not unusual on all the other sites.We all want our team to be competitive as do most supporters of their team.Wait and see what happens to Chelsea and united if they do not make top four
     
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  14. THFC Guest

    I’m a guest and we really need to win something soon

     
  15. Jesper Active Member

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    When is the next final?

    The reason why I am asking is that some people want to be happy about Spurs winning matches and signing good players. As far as I can tell the only times when that is ok is:
    -if the match won is the one match where the league was won
    -if the match won is a cup-final
    all other wins are just possible 'false dawns', meaningless as they fail to meet the above criteria and nothing to celebrate, right? Every silver-lining has a cloud.....

    As is then for me then I might stay away from match threads until the day after the match has been played. It would let me have some joy for the win and the following day then I might learn why I shouldn't have been happy about the win but then it would be too late - I'd already had my moments of joy :)
     
  16. THFC Guest

    Huh? In order to win something, we first need to win matches...in order to win matches you usually need to play better than the other team. It is possible, as we proved on several occasions last season, to play worse than the other team and win however you can’t do that in every match (as was proved) and thus you won’t win anything.

    I am very happy if we sign good players and in Bale and Reguilon we have, although as good as Bale could potentially be for us, we really need to sign a decent CB and another CF.

    If we can nick a cup, great but a win would be a top 4 finish this season IMO.

    I’m not really sure what the relevance of your message is in relation to being a guest and wanting us to win something?

     
  17. Jesper Active Member

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    Nothing about being a guest, something to do about wanting us to win 'something soon'.
    I thought you meant that the current attitude towards the players and the manager/coach will continue to be the same until something is won. That something is at the earliest months and many matches away. Possibly I misunderstood.

    I don't think that I could manage to wait that long unless there were some signs of improvement along the way and unless I look for the signs of improvment then I might not see them.
    Actively ignoring signs of improvement is often counter-productive as it seems to be a very demoralizing tactic. That latter paragraph is not directed towards you but there are others who appear to prefer to try to avoid the pain of false dawns by never seeing anything positive.

    But about the guest thing:
    As far as I can tell the benefit of being a guest is that the posts of guest can't be set to ignore and the benefits of being a member are that it is possible to put other members to ignore and it is possible to take part in polls. It is a personal preference being a guest or being a member, people coming to the forum are doing what is right for them. I've nothing more to add to that really.
     
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    Did you read the post directly above from preed?

    Has anybody noticed that the posts on here that don’t like criticism and don’t seem to think spurs need to win something are all guests and not members I wonder why???

     
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    Must be careful what I say or the guest and others will be on my case.A good win but once again a frustrating performance.Dominate game and find ourselves one each half way through second half.neededto bring on Kane andDecelso to correct things.Must say ndombele started to look the real deal while Winks once again contributed nothing as didAli and Davies and surprisingly Bergwin.Just accentuates the need for another striker.I am so sorry to see Ali perform as he is because we all know there was a footballer in there somewhere.Come on Levy one more push for a centre forward and centre half and Mourino may have something to work with
     

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