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  1. Preed

    Preed Well-Known Member

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    We don’t have rose coloured specs and one swallow does not make a summer
     
  2. Spurporter Well-Known Member

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    This place in known for relentless negativity. Do not expect anything different. I don't.
     
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  3. Spurporter Well-Known Member

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    That is how Spurs will be playing under Jose. Get used to it. Good win. GOYS!!!
     
  4. Jesper Active Member

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    Yep. All goals conceded are due to defensive errors and all goals scored are due to luck - view matches like that then negativity abounds...... I blame the pundits for focussing so much on how goals could have been stopped, they rarely give credit for anything and many football fans copy the pundits. I'd hazard a guess that most forums are similar.
     
  5. notnats

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    Harry is the best, genuine no10 in the league and its about time he drops back as a playmaker. He has a better killer pass and football brain and vision than CE ever had. Put Son and Bale up front with Harry pulling the strings, devestating.
    Its also about time to give him the capt armband. Feel for Deli but with his lazy flicks and tricks that mostly dont work, not sure how he fits into Jose's style.
    Swap him for a Danny Ings in a heartbeat.
     
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  6. Cheshuntboy Guest

    I'm worried that the negativity level is dropping dangerously, so here goes. First, yesterday's win was clearly one of those 'every shot's a goal' sort of games that crop up every so often, but don't really mean much. We beat a very good Newcastle team 5-2 away back in 1975 (an Alfie Conn hat-trick, I seem to remember), but still only avoided relegation that year by a whisker, and there've been a few similar ones since, sadly never marking a real sea change in our fortunes.
    As for Gareth Bale, I'm baffled at both Mourinho and Levy choosing to go down this strange road, and frankly see it as a sign of mounting desperation rather than a tactical masterstroke. Bale was injury-prone ten years ago, he's injured now, and how many games are we likely to get out of him in return for a mere £300k per week? We can hope his arrival will galvanise the others (and I have to admit that yesterday was a pretty fair start!), but I wonder whether Kane won't be understandably bitter at the return of the prodigal son, on grotesque money, while he's been carrying the team for years, and forced to watch Bale picking up trophies for fun all the while. As so often, I honestly hope I'm wrong and that we really are turning the corner at last, but we've been here before - Klinsmann and the rest of the 'Famous Five' were going to transform us into contenders back in the '90s, but Ardiles was gone within months, and the twenty years of famine soon followed - is that negative enough for you?
     
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  7. Preed

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    Could not agree more cheshuntboy .Maybe we have been here more than some of the newer supporters and seen the false dawns after one win.Dont forget that Southampton should have been 2or3 up before half time and against a better team we would have been.This comeback due to Kane and Son and Southampton’s inabilityto change tactics mid game does not hide the defensive frailties that Mourino can’t seem to solve.We need a centre back and a striker before the deadline and we need to get rid of at least 8 players .
     
  8. Guest Guest

    Rose coloured specs, maybe. But I don't have BULL BOLLOCKS dangling in front of me for sure! Remove your BOLLOCKS so that you can see clearly whether someone has rose coloured specs.
     
  9. Guest Guest

    Yes, we are so afraid that this is going to be another false dawn after one win. But we are not afraid to criticize after one loss. Wow, I really appreciate the logic here. We won because rivals cannot change tactics mid game, no credit to us. But when we lose because we cannot change tactics mid game, we deserve to lose.

    If this is the attitude developed from "having been here more than some of the newer supporters", I guess there's no more joy watching football for this bunch of "older and wiser supporters".
     
  10. Guest Guest

    I've not been through the seventies but can relate to the rest for the comments but not necessarily agree. I am not afraid of another false dawn nor do I agree with everything Levy/ENIC has done but I still do not develop that critical attitude that scrubs away every bit of positive leaving nothing but negatives on the plate. Do you still enjoy watching football? If so, what is it the you enjoy? The criticism bit? Is that too positive for you?
     
  11. Cheshuntboy Guest

    Sometimes I think it's growing-up in a Spurs-supporting family in a Spurs-supporting area (which Cheshunt certainly was, in my far-off youth) which has turned me into a cynical, bitter, glass half-empty merchant, but I'd probably have turned-out the same whoever I supported. Strangely enough, when Spurs were at the top in the '60s, the fans were famous/notorious for being critical (a Villa-supporting mate was shocked at the abuse Jimmy Greaves got from the home fans when he first went to WHL back then), but it now seems that the less successful we are, the more blindly loyal the fans are required to be, in a kind of parody of Millwall - 'no one likes us but we don't care'!
    I've enjoyed our increasingly rare triumphs as much as anyone (and the UEFA Cup win over Anderlecht in 1984, the last trophy I actually saw us win, has cheered me up through many gloomy Spursy moments since), but I grew up with higher expectations of the club than many of the younger supporters can understand, and I'm too old to become a 'happy clapper' now - sorry!
     
  12. Guest Guest

    No need to be sorry now. It's just what it is. Like what you said, some "supporters" are impossible to please. I just want you to know that I am not young and naive either but I still enjoy good games though things are not going well now compared to a couple of years ago though some would argue that things have not been well for the past half century! I still enjoy the game when Spurs play well. I don't try to analyze a game too much like a stock broker to pick "tops and bottoms" and thus have no false hopes.
     
  13. Preed

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    What a load of utter nonsense you talk guest.i love my football and could not support any one other thanSpurs.But I do feel that we should at least give the impression that we want to win something.As for your rant about BOLLOCKS I have no idea what that is about but I’m not an expert onBulls.Why is it that wanting your team to perform better is negative and don’t think that other clubs don’t criticise poor performances and whether you like it or not we were rubbish in the first half on Sunday.I am praying we sign a centre half and with our latest signings we should be challenging top four if not I may have to post another criticism or I could just accept mediocrity Like a lot of spurs supporters
     
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  14. Guest Guest

    I am as ignorant about ROSE GLASSES, my friend. You are simply clueless! Wanting the team to perform better is not negative. Beating them up when they win is.

    Like what I say, focus on the negatives and forget the positives. Again you criticize a poor first half but fail to see a good second half. It's so funny that you are helping me justify my point. I have problem understanding this load of dung that you just dropped!

    Sometimes you can't get a simple message across. Supporter, pundit, critic? Don't know what is what. We just think criticizing will show that we have very high standards and expectations and desire our team to do well. Wisdom that comes from living a long life, I guess.

    Anyway, I have said what I wanted. Continue to rant your nonsense on this blog.
     
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    I’m sure you know exactly what rose coloured spectacles mean guest.I don’t think calling my views Dung is particularly pleasant.I notice you are a guest why not a proper member.I suppose that long time members like felon 82 and cheshunt boy also talk dung because they also are not convinced by one performance.either.You are entitled to your views but I don’t believe using abuse gets you brownie points .i have supported spurs since1955 so I do have some wisdom.I suspect you were also on the case of people who wanted Pochetino out even when he lost the plot.By the way the television commentators also agreed that spurs should have been 3 down at half time but lineker talks DUNG.I said you were talking nonsense because you refuse to see that the first half was Shocking .I can get a simple message across and that is we need to improve defensively and if you disagree then we are watching a different team.Carry on believing and talking your abuse when someone disagrees with you if it helpsI would be interested if beating nine men in Europe was on of your highlights last week a game we would have probably lost without the referees intervention.i saw bits on the download and we were shocking but that’s okay because we won
     
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  16. Jesper Active Member

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    Possibly there is a time to be happy when the team wins and there might be a time to look for flaws in that same win. Possibly those times overlap, for me then I'd prefer to enjoy the win and the following day then start looking for things to be improved - very little overlap and I get time for enjoyment.

    I do get that being the first one to find some great new insight might feel good and therefore there is a reason to be the first one to find flaws after a win but still....

    Anyway, another match tomorrow so COYS
     
  17. Guesty Guest

    think we have covered that we have too many midfielders and defenders that aren't fit to wear the shirt.
    But I take from JMs "we have a big squad"..... that we won't be buying too many without removing some.
    Until then defensively we will always be at risk

    And as I've said before..... difficult to sell poor players...... so anything for Winks, Sissoko, Aurier, Sanchez, Dier, Foyth or Gedson we should take.....

    my jury is still out on Hojbjerg. I only watched the MoTD highlights...... but he only seemed to be near the ball once!?!?
    perhaps someone who watched the full game can give a better review of his performance??
     
  18. Felon82 Well-Known Member

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    People want a better defence from sh;t defenders but don't want to play defensively.
    People don't want to sell players like Lamela Winks Sissoko Dier Sanchez etc but expect us to be playing great football and challenging.
    People think that people who don't idolise sh;te players and get giddy over a win here or there are negative.
    People think trophies are worthless and mean nothing.
    Others want better from the club in general as to what is put into the side to give us a genuine chance at the big prizes, while others scoff at how we don't want to be a club like that and should be over the moon with how much sponsorship and match day money we make.

    It's a bizarre world and a bonkers fan base.

    I'm not overly excited about a thrashing of Southampton which on paper should happen, just as I'm not overly excited about our chances of winning anything with the shocking players we have stockpiled and continue with.
    I am hoping that Bale Son Kane can click and at least make the football enjoyable again even if it is yet another false dawn.
     
  19. THFC Guest

    The first half performance was not very good if being honest.
    Dier is a squad player at best and Davies was our best defender which says a lot. Hojiberg didn’t seem to be the defensive wall I was expecting to see, he seemed to just run side pointing a lot.
    Moura should not be anywhere near the starting 11, especially with Bergwijn on the bench however when Bale is fit, that should solve that problem.

    Second half was a lot better and Son and Kane performed particularly well and Lo Celso made a difference.

    It was a brilliant result with a half decent performance but I do think Jose can make progress based on the way he seems to grind results out (despite how cack the football is). If that happpens, with the new signings that we have and a couple more to potentially come in, he might just actually deliver a positive change. I really hope he does because based on the documentary, everything he is trying to do, is what most of us on here want.
     
  20. Jose's Ghost Guest

    Dear oh dear... what are these glory days you speak of? two league titles? everything was obviously better back then it seems. I am a traditionalist... the club has a good history... but let's not kid ourselves. If Spurs become the biggest club in England it will be because of what comes in the future not for what has been in the past.

    You're still on this planet... get with the times. You **** can the manager who brought the best season to Tottenham in 50 odd years? that is plain nonsense. The world is not black and white my friend... you should know that by now.
     

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