Matchday discussion

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  1. Bazza47

    Bazza47 Well-Known Member

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    Re Harry, I’m not sure what the stats show, but he gets really poor service would be my view, forcing him deeper and deeper.

    No width from the likes of Son, Bergwijn of late, Lo Celso too deep, Lamela needing to work out how he’s going to operate with Gio - two lefties.

    We raised our game last season on occasions - BD, City and Ajax in the CL come to mind, but we’ve not been a great watch otherwise. Kane’s injuries, Dele’s total loss of form, Eriksen’s indifference to the cause, no decent full backs, ageing CB’s, letting Dembele go without replacing him......it’s easy to see why we’ve fallen away. Plus we never seem to get Academy players like Mason Greenwood or the Gooners youngsters or the Chelski ones.....

    I’ll stop there, it’s depressing me.....
     
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  2. Guesty Guest

    we are exactly where the quality of our squad should be. to be honest a bit higher actually.
    I don't see any PL team taking Aurier or Sanchez at the back. or Winks or Sissoko in midfield.
    (NB... look how long we stuck with Tom Carroll. where is he now..... clubless!)
    ...... add Foyth, Dier, Gedson, Lamela, Moura.....

    we need to replace too many players so it will take some time to correct.
    Don't expect that to happen too soon.
     
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  3. Bazza47

    Bazza47 Well-Known Member

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    For Sanchez, surely Ledley should be coaching him.....
     
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    if you play Winks you have to remove his need to attack and remove his need to defend wide.
    like for England..... just use him as central defensive sitting barrier.......
    Skipp I'd just likje yo see given a run. If he fails get rid.

    we are limited as my post above notes......and if NDumb is ever going to do it, the best chance to gel will be in these remaining games......so I'd go......

    ................... Lloris
    Sissoko, Toby, Verts, Davies
    ................... Winks
    ...Skipp....Ndombele...Lo Celso
    ............... Kane....Son

    obviously Tangy at RB when fit... with the option of Sissoko replacing Skipp
     
  5. THFC Guest

    Not trying to convince you of anything Cheshuntboy, just trying to give you an alternative perspective. By no means am I saying everything I have said is right, it’s just my opinion. There is a lot of truth in a lot you have said too and it’s just about how we are interpreting the impacts on the squad now.
    Given how Poch felt at the time, you may well be right about if he stayed. I think that under the circumstances he needed to go. That doesn’t mean he hasn’t learnt a lot or had time to adjust his mindset in the time he had been off. It’s a bit like a long term relationship....sometimes you need a break to reset and reinvigorate.
    Given that he is a still a spurs fan and he is still available and given that he knows the club and chairman inside out, I really can’t think of anyone better that would represent a huge risk at the moment. On the other side of it, I can’t see how anyone thinks JM is any better for us based on performances I have seen this year because he really isn’t.

     
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    *I really can’t think of anyone better that wouldn’t represent a huge risk at the moment
     
  7. Spurporter Well-Known Member

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    I think you're wasting your time, THFC. Sheshuntboy is no boy, but an older man. He is old enough to represent the now considered odd views of certain supremacism. He truly believes that speaking with accent demonstrates an inner inferiority and thereby finds Poch being inherently inferior to likes of Harry Redknapp, for instance, and maybe even Tim Sherwood. I don't condone it, really, being from same generation, just find it impossible to change his mind. Plus, it is true that Harry Redknapp had better pressers than Poch. Also, being permanently negative does make one being more right than wrong, it is well known , as it also saves from disappointments, but in no way it makes one a better supporter.
    I overall share your points of view on our beloved Spurs and would like you to upgrade to Member from Guest.
     
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  8. Spurporter Well-Known Member

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    Mark my words, JM will start same back 4 that failed miserably against the Blades. He will use that as his man management. Also, he has no options at FBs. Sooo....

    Aurier-Sanchez-Dier-Davies
    Sissoco-Winks
    Lo-Steve-Son
    Kane
     
  9. Cheshuntboy Guest

    Yup Spurporter, you're absolutely right. I blame Pochettino's poor English for our collapse in the second half of last season, for our abysmal display in the CL Final, and for our catastrophic showing this season. Obviously I wouldn't want foreigners like Klopp or Guardiola at WHL in case their misuse of grammar caused Aurier and Sanchez to lose confidence, and stop being world-class defenders - I'd really like Jacob Rees-Mogg to be in charge, because then we'd be certainties for every trophy going - happy now?
     
  10. Preed

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    Don’t worry cheshuntboy I think most people know what you are about and most of us don’t understand the twaddle from spurporter and sometimes he should read what he says before submitting.I am surprised that accusing you of supremacism got past the editors.
     
  11. Preed

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    Spurporter he could try Sissoko at full back and bring back aldy and jan and then give ndombele a chance . He could even give skipp a game because the results now are irrelevant as Mourino has already made sure we have no chance of champion league.Fear the London derby coming up
     
  12. Spurporter Well-Known Member

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    Who is HE? Not Mourinho, I suppose. Mou is stubborn. He will not experiment, because Spurs may end up out of Europa League. It is not at all over for him.
     
  13. Spurporter Well-Known Member

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    I like Rees-Mogg. Please forgive me for "supremacy". It is currently politically charged word and as such I used it in error. Typically, when Spurs do poorly fans start fighting out of frustration. I realise that.
     
  14. Jesper Active Member

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    The latest match was so bad/poor that I am glad that this one came so soon. Need to cleanse away the taste/feel of that match.

    The past three matches:
    Man U, it made sense (even though I didn't like it) to have focus on destroyers rather than players in the midfield.
    West H, they didn't press so it didn't matter too much to have a player who isn't great friends with the ball playing in the center of the field.
    Sheffield U, they press and then it is imperative that the central midfielders are open to receive passes, when they receive the pass they do something quickly with the ball and as always that what they do is accurate.
    Yep, I am writing about Sissoko.....

    Everton does not (as far as I know) have the quality of Man U. Fernandes etc isn't in their team.
    Everton isn't likely to be doing what West H did and mostly defend deep.
    Everton might try the press against Spurs as many teams have done successfully.

    Dealing with high press then two things are important to me:
    Speed on the counter -> at least one fast attacker on the pitch
    Midfielders who are making themselves available to receive passes, receives the ball easily and can quickly and accurately pass the ball.

    So for me:
    GK: Lloris
    RB: Aurier
    RCB: Sanchez or Toby
    LCB: Toby or Jan
    LB: Davies
    Three central midfielders:
    Skipp
    Winks
    Lo Celso
    The attack:
    LW: Son
    CF: Kane:
    RW: Bergwijn

    Subs I'd like to see:
    Gedson
    Sessegnon (on the wing, not LB)
    Moura
    Possibly Alli or Lamela to waste some time towards the end
     
  15. Jesper Active Member

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    The manager who once was seen as a possible Spurs manager against the one who became a Spurs manager? Bad attacking against bad defending? Or will the players who seem to have the skills for great attacking make an appearance?

    Players showed some passion yesterday, the keeper who was once close to winning the golden gloves made it clear that lack of defensive effort was not acceptable (any longer?). Maybe more clean sheets might be the result?
    Or was it possibly staged for some reality tv?

    I didn't see the match yesterday so not sure what team to play in the next match.
    Possibly it is time for Ndombele as Bournemouth might just be waiting for relegation and have no fight or possibly they are now about to fight even harder as the players want to be bought to be able to stay in the EPL.
     
  16. Big fran Guest

    I'd go probably with the same 11. Maybe have a look at ndombele for more creative influence than sissoko. Lamela or bergwjin for moura who flatters to deceive once again. The key difference is getting the front 3 much more narrow to work in together such as arsenal are tnite and Liverpool do in order to slop this isolation of kane.
     
  17. Felon82 Well-Known Member

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    Our whole attacking game died on the loss of Walker and a decent Danny Rose.
    We've never recaptured that extra dimension on the flanks, Davies offers nothing and Aurrier is just a joke.
    This leaves our wide attackers most of the time stranded or easily contained.
    All the best sides push up as a whole team, their play is positive, their movement is positive, Robertson and Arnold are the reason pool can play a fluid tight front 3 plus they also have a disciplined hard working midfield.
    We're lacking in all these departments and other than Son we have no 1 that can really take on a player beat them and have an end product.

    This team/club cannot move forward until the FB situation is sorted and a proper DM is installed as a priority.
    If these things aren't drastically sorted out in the Summer by JM then he will quite rightly deserve the criticism because it's clear he's here for the pay day.
     
  18. Preed

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    Just watching arsenal versus Leicester and it brings up the fact that arsenal have at least 5 under 20s in their squad who would walk into our first eleven.Nobody ever seems to question on here why we don’t produce many players through our academy and youth teams.Could any one name who is in charge of the youth programme.Other teams like Chelsea and Man U produce prodigious talent from their youth.Is it money again or does levy not care.We never seem to be in the latter stages of the youth cup and even Norwich reach the latter stages.Surely our facilities would attract youngsters
     
  19. Felon82 Well-Known Member

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    Considering the magic man was renowned for bringing through youth and improving every player he came in contact with, after 6 years at the club and our untapped resources of potential in the academy you'd think we'd have a pool of talent pushing to break through........

    Just another myth
     
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  20. Big fran Guest

    Already noises coming out the camp that the finances won't be there due to the fact of the corona and no CL qualification. Dread to think what the pot will be like. The sessagnon situation is strange. Being touted as similar to Ashley Cole but not ready to play full bk despite the fact cirkin
    makes bench aged 18 or so and tanganga a natural right footed centre half already had starts at left bk. I'd definitely sort the defence out before looking anywhere up front. DM seriously needs adressing ASAP too. I'd take a bk 4 of aarons Toby ake sessagnon to build upon.
     

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