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  1. Felon82 Well-Known Member

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    And this is what people need to understand and realise now.
    Through utter negligence on behalf of Pochettino & Levy this is the level of Team & Squad we've been left with.
    There's no point bemoaning the style as we stumble from 1 calamity to the next, what should be voicefully called out is the lack of investment/planning and continuous p;ss poor recruitment.
     
  2. Big fran Guest

    Well there was quite a clamour for ndombele to start but again he was so so poor so hopefully we can draw a line under that wage thief. Back to the drawing board for another midfield player it is. Lo celso showing he's the only player we have with any quality at present. Mid table side all day long until kane mousa and son return to paper cracks
     
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    My thinking was that in the first half we didn't have a midfield. Simple as that," he said.

    "I think more important than the tactics is to have midfield players that want the ball, to have midfield players that connect the game, to have midfield players that press, to have midfield players that recover ball, to have midfield players that win duels and we didn't have it.

    These are the quotes from mourinho yesterday which are in regard to what I was saying previously on the post. No manager tells his midfield no to take the ball off the centre halves, to not tackle and to NOT PRESS. For a midfielder to close the ball down is a basic fundamental at which ever level you play right down to grass roots. I played there and wanted to win the ball so I could then play forward. Whoever wins that battle in midfield will earn the right to play and control the direction and tempo of the game. We simply don't get footholds in games and we get overrun on the back foot which appears to some like we're sitting back. We are not. We are getting pushed back.
    I'll guarantee if we had a midfield 3 of day dembele modric Parker the last few games would be completely different story. It's a question of quality not tactics. Now I know dembele divided opinion on this site but for me he didn't he was absolutely fantastic in winning that midfield battle whether be winning the ball back and giving it others to play or taking the ball in tight areas of the pitch off the defenders. Only will some see.
     
  4. Felon82 Well-Known Member

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    Good to hear a sane opinion on matters.

    As I've had to keep saying over and over there are too many passengers in the side.
    They lack the steel and bloody mindedness to take a game to an opponent whether by skill/drive/physicality etc that's why Sissoko had become a stand out permanent fixture because at least he makes up for his shocking talent with Drive and Physical presence.
    All this safe option sideways no you have it I'm not getting stuck in mentality is not what any manager I believe would ever be telling his players.
    Spurs has been a breeding ground for mediocrity to think it's succeeded, lauding players that aren't very good, sticking with non entities in the hope they might one day have a good game, ignoring all the areas we're short in as if it has no relevance to end product on the pitch, bigging up things that no one else cares about like a training facility, pretending we actually have an academy bursting with talent the list is endless.

    We've just been through a massive purple patch where imo there was a 50/50 balance of having a great balanced 1st 11 and the League competition being overall appalling.
    We didn't push and build from a position of strength instead choosing to neglect and run into the ground. Meanwhile other side's have improved while we have overall become weaker.

    There is only 1 solution and it's a massive rebuild which needs time patience and most of all quality investment.
     
  5. Preed

    Preed Well-Known Member

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    Just a comment away from another dire performance and puzzling team selection what is Mourino doing with his criticism of ndombele .I agree he is diabolical but I assume he would get rid if he could but who will take him now .I bet Levy is chuffed that he has taken thirty million off the asking price.
     
  6. Gordon Mc

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    Re N'dombele and his form so far - I reckon whoever went to Lyon was really looking for Moussa Dembele and just had the surname written on a scrap of paper. He met a passer-by in the street, showed him this and was pointed in the direction of N'dombele. Easy mistake to make. If we still have the receipt maybe we can exchange him pronto. Just a thought.
     
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    He’s so so poor isn’t he, who scouted him ffs....
     
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  8. Spurporter Well-Known Member

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    That what Felon82 failed to state.
     
  9. Spurporter Well-Known Member

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    No, he will keep him. Same story was with Fred and others Mou recruited, although Ndombele was not his pick. Mou just is being pissed losing, so he jumps on anyone and everyone. Plus, it wasn't a dire performance. If subtract Hugo's mistake, Spurs win. One can blame Mou for his tactic, his game plan, but not for critical goalkeeper errors that cost dearly. Two successive games is too much
    I said it many times Spurs must obtain a goalkeeper.
     
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    Preed Well-Known Member

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    Sorry spurporter it was dire and I agree bad goalkeeping error but Burnley robbed of penalty and missed numerous chances in first half which allowed us back in
     
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    Has anybody seen the rubbish that Levy dished out to the supporters trust about transfers.He says that the amount of budget will be dependent on the champions league .As we have little or no hope of making the champions league this probably means we ain’t gonna buy any top players so be prepared for a spell back in the bottom half .
     
  12. Gordon Mc

    Gordon Mc Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely Preed - some people endlessly think "if we'd done this, or that, or something else we'd have won". Don't work that way dude, the other team could well have done this, or that, or something else. Then they'd have won n'est pas ?
     
  13. Spurporter Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't pay attention, rubbish indeed. I would strongly suspect Levy lost his mind, if I heard otherwise
     
  14. THFC Guest

    Should have signed the other Fernandes
     
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    Thfc we were offered Fernandes last year and as usual Levy would not pay up.Man united were one of the underperforming teams early season and were expected to finish below us but good buys have them now favourites to get champions league.I bet Pochetino is not a happy man now because Solskar is staying.We need a new scouting team poste haste
     
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  16. THFC Guest

    It’s crazy, the proper Fernandes seems like a steal, our one looks like we were robbed.

    Not sure what you think but I think Poch will go to Real Madrid. His first signing will be Kane for £150m then Levy will use that as player funds along with any other players we can actually get money for in the summer (it won’t be much based on this season).

    Levy will give the impression that we have spent money but the books will be perfectly balanced.

    Just need to hope we can attract some decent players, especially if we don’t make champions league this season.

    I’d like to see the following sold/replaced:
    Lloris
    Alli
    Aurier
    Lamela
    Vertonghen
    Foyth
    Vorm

     
  17. THFC Guest

    Just read this on Football 365:


    Tottenham’s defensive disorganisation

    The one area of the pitch in which Tottenham don’t have any injuries is also the most disorganised. Improvement came with the half-time switch from a back five – with five central defenders – to a back four and Eric Dier pushed into central midfield, but it really was alarming how lost Spurs looked in the first half against Burnley.

    Mourinho has now managed 25 matches as Tottenham manager, and things aren’t improving defensively. The number of clean sheets in his first 25 matches at each club:

    Chelsea – 17
    Inter – 10
    Real Madrid – 15
    Chelsea – 10
    Manchester United – 9
    Tottenham – 3

    The instant answer from some will be that Mourinho hasn’t been given the tools to carry out this task, but he always used to define himself by an ability to improve the defenders he inherited. Remember Chelsea in 2013/14, who looked a little washed-up the previous season? Mourinho led a defence of Branislav Ivanovic (30), John Terry (34), Gary Cahill (28) and Ashley Cole (33) to concede 27 league goals that season. He used to be able to do this.

    Forget Harry Kane and Son Heung-min for a while, because that statistic is the most troubling. What happens when an excellent defensive coach loses his touch?
     
  18. Felon82 Well-Known Member

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    As much as I despise them John Terry & Ashley Cole would be in the top 10 of all time Prem defenders Terry CBs and Cole LBs.
    Cahill was a standard CB and Ivanovic is better than Aurrier will ever dream to be.
    Cole v Davies
    Ivanovic v Aurrier
    It's not even close
     
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  19. Felon82 Well-Known Member

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    last 25 conceded -

    Spurs 34
    Chelsea 33
    Everton 36

    Yet Lampard & Ancelloti were your shining examples of how a new manager can transform a team
     
  20. Genevaspurs Guest

    Best eleven vs Leipzig for me

    4-4-1-1

    Lloris

    Aurier
    Sanchez
    Alderweireld
    Verthongen

    Lucas
    Dier
    Ndombele (even if he was **** in 1st half at Burnley)
    Bergjwin

    LoCelso

    Dele
     

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